CALIFORNIA

CALIFORNIA’S COUTS COUSINS

VOLUME 9 May June July NUMBER 3

2004

A Quarterly Newsletter for the Descendants of the Couts Family #32

To: <TNSUMNER-L@rootsweb.com>From: <CBStark@aol.com>This obituary appeared in the Nashville Tennessean on Wednesday, 10 March 2004: Cohen "C.R." LONG, Greenbrier, TN Age 75, March 8, 2004. Survived by wife, Sara Driver Long; daughters, Donna Long (John) Tabb and Denise Long (Eddie) Watts; grandsons, Justin (Emily) Couts, Joshua Couts, Adam Tabb and Kyle Tabb; granddaughter, Jordan Malia Couts. Preceded in death by three sisters and two brothers. Mr. Long was Owner and Operator of Long Enterprises Trucking Company. Funeral service will be conducted 2 p.m., Thursday, March 11, 2004 at the Forest Lawn Chapel with Dr. Fred Baldwin officiating. Active Pallbearers: Robert O'Neal, Garland King Jr., Paul King, Charles King, Bennie Long, Tony Felts, Terry Savage and Jerry Tidwell. Honorary Pallbearers: Grandsons and Sons-in-law, Jeremy Watson, Johnny Meredith, Robin Frost, Charles Martin and Herb Heddings. Interment will be at the Forest Lawn Cemetery. Visitation Wednesday, 6 til 9 p.m. and Thursday, 11 a.m. until service time. Arrangements by FOREST LAWN FUNERAL HOME, 859-5279. A Dignity Memorial Provider. Our condolences.

From: <smokeyandjo@yahoo.com> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HOm.2ACIB/50 Message Board Post: The following obit is reprinted from the Jan. 27, 2004 edition of the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle with permission of Cheyenne Newspapers, Inc. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved. Phillip Kautz 1929-2004 Phillip "Ray" Kautz Sr., 74 of Cheyenne died Jan. 24 in Cheyenne. He was born Aug. 15, 1929, in Cheyenne and had lived here all of his life. Mr. Kautz was a policeman for the city of Cheyenne. He retired in 1975 as a sergeant. He was a boilermaker apprentice for the Union Pacific Railroad and worked for the city golf course retiring in 1995.
He served in the U.S. Air Force during the Korean conflict and also served in the National Guard. Mr. Kautz is survived by his wife, Frances Kautz of Cheyenne, whom he married June 4, 1950, in Cheyenne; a son, Phillip Ray Kautz Jr. of Cheyenne; a daughter, Sandra Louise Moser of Cheyenne; two grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his parents, Phillip and Edna Kautz. Memorial services will be 11 a.m. Saturday at Trinity Lutheran Church with the Rev. David Caspersen officiating.
Cremation has taken place at Cheyenne Memorial Gardens. Friends may contribute to Adopt a Student Fund at Trinity Lutheran Church School, Hospice or Trinity Lutheran Church. Services are under the direction of Wiederspahn-Radomsky Chapel of the Chimes. Note: I am of no relation, but my sympathies go out to those of you who are. This is here as a lasting memorial for Mr. Kautz. Our condolences.

From: "Richard Averett" <richard_averett@excite.com> To: <bevans@syix.com> Subject: RE: Obit-Relative? From: "Richard Averett" <richard_averett@excite.com> When Iread the subject line I thought perhaps you had managed to read a Salt Lake paper. My mother died here in our home on March 21st. It was a Sunday and that Wednesday we had services here. Our kids arrived from Michigan, Oregon, Virginia and Kansas. Each brought their entire families and most stayed several days. Each of our sons spoke as part of the funeral services. We left Friday by car to Oakdale where another funeral service was held. I gave the eulogy/life story and the Oakdale LDS Bishop was the other speaker. We then drove to the cemetary where I dedicated the grave site. Elaine and I came home slowly taking two days. I had no idea how expensive it was to die these days. Mother's pre-paid plan only covered (because of the Salt Lake embalming, etc) part of the total. We moved her in with us when the Hospice people she needed more care. We bought a bigger place and a month after we moved in she passed away--while I was on the phone talking to a friend of hers. She went peacefully and I think happily--her last meal was ice cream! Well, Elaien is working at the LDS translation department library. She is trying to organize the English section first and then the myriad of other languages. I am working on two projects-one in Portugues and the other in Spanish. Plus, I get to the administrivia-write letters and collect data for quarterly and yearly records of donated service. Thanks for the obit. I did not know of any Averetts (sp) living in that area. Rich Averett

NAME: Karen Kautz EMAIL: kkautz@clear.lakes.com REFERRED BY: Search Engine LOCATION: from Millville, Minnesota COMMENTS: John remember us---Dale Kautz meet the real Dale Kautz from Ohio and Minnesota....Please advise me thru e-mail---I have some new data for you about our Kautz connection......Thanks Karen

Subject: Couts Family From: Parts Hello, my name is Don Terruso from Plymouth ,Indiana. My gradmother was Eva M. Couts, she was the oldest of Elmer and Minnie Couts of Plymouth, Marshall County ,Indiana. There were 10 children in that family, I believe Elmer's father was Daniel Couts ,his name appears in 1880s plat book. I am looking for information on the Couts family, is the information on your web sight available in a book form to set and read. I would appreciate any info you might be able forward to me at my E-mail or my address is Don Terruso , Contact Barbara for address , Indiana ,46563 Thank you very much Don
NAME: Paul L Kouts EMAIL: plkouts@GroupIVR.com REFERRED BY: Search Engine COMMENTS: Hi John, I haven't made the reunions for many years. Are you still arranging them. I laid-off research for a few years and have just started again. I'm finding some good stuff. We'll have to modify Kenneth's earlier work. I have found that Barnhardt and John Jacob were brothers and probably first cousins once removed with Perry, Chauncy, and Chambers. It also appears that there were two migrations. First Barnhardt and Salome went to Ohio (possibly with her brother- John Berrier). John then went on to Indiana before 1838 and Barnhard remained in Ohio until the early forties. The other group didn't go west until the fifties. I am trying to find if this is the trip that John's son Barney took on his way to Michigan. I'm still trying to identify my Great= Great-Grandfather's place in this mixed up family. Anyway, thanks for the web site and all of your work in the past.

NAME: Eugene Kautz EMAIL: KaitlynK@aol.com REFERRED BY: Search Engine LOCATION: Attica, NY COMMENTS: I don't know much about my father's parents. He immigrated to USA in 1924 and I never met my grandparents. My father's name was August Kautz and he lived in the Black Forest near the Geroldseck Castle. He married Theresa Beck in 1924. I would appreciate contact with anyone who may know of my branch of the Kautz family.

NAME: Gerald Couts Email: jcouts@triad.rr.com REFERRED BY: Search Engine LOCATION: North Carolina COMMENTS:I am from Ohio. Couts went from VA to Ohio in late 1700's.Apparently some went to NC at same time. You mention Indiana Couts but what about all the Ohio Couts ? Ind. Couts most likely from Ohio or NC. I know Couts went from Ohio to TN. Quite a few Couts in TN. now. My Dad had a cousin who went to Ca to see Couts in Ca in 1930's so I think Couts went from Ohio to Ca years before that.

NAME: Michael Nunley EMAIL: mpnunley2@aol.com REFERRED BY: Just Surfed IN, Location: Georgia COMMENTS:Hey just looking for someone on the web and found her in your webpage.

Subject: Frances Barton Couts From: "Michael K Middleton" <mkmiddleton@juno.com> Barb,While going thru the U.S. Genweb Archives on Rootsweb I found the following in Henry Co, Missouri-Page Cemetery Grandmother Couts died 27 Aug 1868 This has to be Frances (Barton) Couts as her dau Anthea (Couts) Page and husband and grandchildren are buried in this Cemetery. I was excited to find this! Have a Happy Easter, cousin, Michael Middleton

From: <janethunter703@aol.com> To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [COUTS] Huntington Library Papers -- Cave Johnson Couts Journal In a message dated 4/21/2004 12:04:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bgeiberger@juno.com writes: Hi Janet, I can't tell from your email how much you know about Cave Couts. My favorite aunt married his grandson. He is well know in the San Diego area. Both the San Diego Public Library and the San Diego County Library have copies of the book. You can no doubt borrow it via an inter library loan through your local library. Bob Geiberger Bob,I am much acquainted with Cave Johnson Couts, as I grew up in Long Beach CA, and had some cousins in San Diego, only one of whom has a blood connection (supposed). My three g-grandmother Nancy Couts Bird/Byrd, was said to be Cave's aunt. In one of the few letters I have found online, his mother (Nancy) refers to his aunt Nancy, who I believe is my 3 g grandmother. Since I sent that note to the list, I also found that the Huntington Library in San Marino CA, has a collection of 16,000 papers, mostly for Cave and his son Cave, Jr. if I read the website correctly. (See below). The description highlights the numerous pieces of correspondence with his Tennessee siblings and family. Specifically, I am looking for some discussion of his aunt Nancy Bird and her husband John Bird. While I know the Couts history, I am trying to research the Bird line and am at a dead end. Below is what I found at the website. I apologize that the part of the end I could not paste in list form...It's all run together in one paragraph. Has anyone on the list viewed the collection below at the Huntington Library? Thanks in advance,Janet Hunter http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf3d5n99bd Descriptive Summary Title: Cave Johnson Couts Papers, 1832-1951 Creator: Couts, Cave Johnson Extent: Number of pieces: 16,000 Repository:<A>HREF=http://www.huntington.org/LibraryDiv/Manuscripts.html The Huntington Library San Marino, California 91108 Biographic Sketch of the Couts Family Biographic Sketch of Cave J. Couts a (Cave Couts b is his son) Cave J. Couts a was born near Springfield, Tennessee in November, 1821. He was recommended by Rep. James K. Polk to the United States Military Academy, which he attended from 1838 to 1843. For four years Couts served at posts in Louisiana and what is now Oklahoma, during which time he rose from second lieutenant of Riflemen to first lieutenant of First Dragoons. In November, 1847, in the closing moments of the war with Mexico, Couts was sent to Monterrey, Mex., too late to take part in any real confrontation with the enemy. In June, 1848, after uneventful months of occupation duty, Couts' company began a six-month march to California from Monterrey. Due to incompetent command the march proved to be one of foolish hardship and privation, and Couts kept a journal chronicling the outrages to which his proud company was submitted. Upon reaching California Couts was stationed at Los Angeles and San Diego for several months, and in late 1849 he headed up the escort for the U.S. Boundary Commission survey team, which was mapping the U.S. border from San Diego to the Colorado-Gila River junction. In 1851, after several more months of occupation duty in San Diego, Couts married Isidora Bandini, daughter of the very prominent Californiano, Juan Bandini. Shortly thereafter, in October of that year, Couts resigned his Army commission and took over the operation of the San Diego County ranch Guajome, a wedding present of the bride's brother-in-law, Abel Stearns. In late 1851 Couts was second-in-command of the volunteer force which brought under control the San Diego County Indian uprising known as the Garra Revolt. In January, 1852 he was the presiding judge at the court martial of the man who instigated that revolt, Antonio Garra. Couts was further involved with San Diego Indians as sub-agent for the county from 1853 to 1855.As Couts turned his attentions toward setting up his ranch he put his primary efforts into raising cattle, with the help of Abel Stearns. He proved quite successful as a cattleman, and acquired great wealth. He was later able to add the nearby ranches Buena Vista and Los Vallecitos de San Marcos to his land holdings. He was also a very well-respected man throughout California. A staunch Democrat, he was very active in county and state politics. He was several times a delegate to the state Democratic Convention, and he held numerous county positions, including that of Justice of the Peace (which he held from 1853 to 1863). With the passing of the No-fence Law in Sacramento in 1872 Couts received a financial blow from which he never recovered. California laws had always favored the rancher, with his open-range method of cattle raising. This new law, which Couts fought desperately, placed on the cattleman the responsibility for any damage to farmers' crops caused by his free-roaming cattle. Thus, rather than farmers having to enclose their fields, ranchers had to enclose their cattle, or sell. Couts was forced to sell his herds at ruinous prices. Two years later, in June, 1874, Couts died of aneurism at San Diego. An interesting sidelight to Couts' papers is the Civil War material to be found in the correspondence he maintained with his brothers and sisters in Tennessee. These letters give an informative view of the rigors of war in that state. Couts, as one might suspect, was a strong Confederate supporter.
CATALOG OF CONTENTS Container List Note: Cave J. Couts b kept many papers together in groups by subject matter. These original groups have been kept together to preserve their relationships. For this reason the papers are not strictly alphabetical. As Couts b's papers are uncatalogued, cross-reference cards have been made and placed with the collection to pick up non-alphabetically placed pieces and to bring together subject materials. · THIS IS THE BOX OF INTEREST: [ box: 1-40 ]I. Correspondence (A-Z), 1832-1941, including:c.4100 pieces o A. Personal and business papers of Cave J. Couts a B. Personal correspondence of Cave J. Couts b C. Correspondence of all other family members · [ box: 41-62 ]II. Business correspondence (A-Z) of Cave J. Couts b, 1882-1943 c.5500 pieces · [ box: 63-64 ]III. Army papers of Cave J. Couts a, 1837-1855 658 pieces · [ box: 65-66 ]IV. Army papers of Aaron B. Hardcastle, 1852-1861 306 pieces ·V. Accounts A. Tax bills, assessments, 1850-1942 c.230 pieces [ box: 67 ]B. Medical bills, 1853-1872 12 pieces C. Livestock bills, 1862-c.1875 17 pieces - VI. Miscellaneous accounts [ box: 68 ]A. 1850-186 c.375 pieces [ box: 69 ]B. 1862-1869 c.300 pieces [ box: 70 ]C. 1870-1889 c.275 pieces [ box: 71 ]D. 1890-1909 c.200 pieces [ box: 72 ]E. 1910-1919 c.375 pieces [ box: 73 ]F. 1920-1943 c.375 pieces · [ box: 74 ]VII. Land papers A. Estates § [ box: 75 ]1. Arcadia (Bandini) Stearns Baker, 1914-1935 54 pieces § 2. Jeremiah W. Clemens, 1894-1896 10 pieces § 3. Cave J. Couts a, c. 1865-1926 24 pieces B. Ranchos § 1. Agua Hedionda, 1859-1930 7 pieces § 2. Buena Vista § a. 1845-1896 125 pieces § [ box: 76 ]b. 1897-Sep., 1906 90 pieces § c. Oct., 1906-1907 7 pieces § [ box: 77 ]3. El CajÃ³n, c. 1875 1 piece § 4. Guajome § a. 1892-1917 23 pieces § b. 1918-1926 5 pieces § 5. La Joya, 1898 3 pieces § 6. Monserrate, c. 1932 7 pieces § 7. La Nacicion, 1890 1 piece § 8. San Francisco (San Diego County), 1864 1 piece § [ box: 78 ]9. Santa Margarita y las Flores, 1904 1 piece § 10. Temecula, 1876 1 piece § 11. Valle de San JosÃ© and Valle de Pamo, 1870 2 pieces C. Cities § 1. Coronado, Calif., 1873-1888 5 pieces § 2. Fallbrook, Calif., 1932-1939 2 pieces § 3. Los Angeles, Calif., 1916-1942 48 pieces § 4. Moosa, Calif., 1925 1 piece § 5. Oceanside, Calif., 1885-1939 28 pieces § 6. La Presa, Calif., 1887-1900 3 pieces § 7. San Diego, Calif., 1850-1943, including:303 pieces § a. Colorado House, 1850-1862 22 pieces § b. Roseville, 1853-1909 7 pieces § [ box: 79 ]c. Horton's Addition and City Heights Annex No. 1, 1873-1930 9 pieces § d. Middletown, 1887-1890 5 pieces § e. Inspiration Heights, 1926 3 pieces § f. Casa de Bandini, 1928-1943 94 pieces § g. City Heights Annex No. 1, 1928-1943 7 pieces § h. Week End Villas, 1930-1942 5 pieces § i. Fairmount Theater, 1932-1943 144 pieces § 8. Tijuana, Mexico, 1872 1 piece § 9. Vista, Calif., 1912-1918 26 pieces o D. Counties § [ box: 80 ]1. San Bernardino, 1890-1898 4 pieces § 2. San Diego § a. Oriflamme Mine, 1876 1 piece § b. Pala Indian Reservation, 1931 5 pieces § c. Palomar Park Observatory § 1. 1930-1934 87 pieces § 2. 1935-1938 53 pieces § [ box: 81 ]d. Ranchito Mine § 1. Correspondence § a. 1895-1902 343 pieces § [ box: 82 ]b. 1903-1941 202 pieces § 2. Bills and assay reports, 1896-1928 82 pieces § [ box: 83 ]e. Miscellaneous (described by range and township), 1875-1939 107 pieces · VIII. Legal papers o A. Estate of Cave J. Couts a, 1887-c. 1908 15 pieces [ box: 84 ]B. Estate of Isidora (Bandini) Couts, 1898-1908 4 pieces C. Divorce of Cave J. Couts b and Elizabeth B. (Clemens) Couts Schrader, 1897-1899 33 pieces D. Miscellaneous legal papers, 1875-1930 42 pieces IX. Survey correspondence of Cave J. Couts b [ box: 85 ]A. 1877-1893 134 pieces [ box: 86 ]B. 1894-1940 106 pieces X. Field notes of Cave J. Couts b A. Ranchos § 1. Agua Hedionda, 1854-1912 3 pieces § 2. CaÃ±ada de San Vicente y Mesa de Padre Barona, 1856 2 pieces § 3. MisiÃ³n Vieja o la Paz, 1858-1884 1 piece § 4. Pauma, 1868 2 pieces § 5. La Puente, 1857 1 piece § 6. San Juan CajÃ³n de Santa Ana, 1876 1 piece § 7. Santa Ysabel and Valle de San Jose, 1866-1896 3 pieces [ box: 87 ]B. Indian reservations (San Diego County) § 1. Campo, 1856-1858 1 piece § 2. Capitan Grande, 1856-1876 2 pieces § 3. IÃ±aja, 1875 1 piece § 4. Manzanita, 1856 1 piece § 5. Mesa Grande, 1856 2 pieces § 6. Santa Ysabel, 1876 1 piece C. Counties (described by range and township) § 1. Riverside, 1868-1879 2 pieces § 2. San Diego § a. Ranges 1 and 2 West, 1853-1893 29 pieces § b. Ranges 2-5 West, 1854-1893 18 pieces § c. Ranges 1-9 East, 1850-c. 1889 10 pieces § [ box: 88 ]d. Lists of land ownership, c. 1886 9 pieces D. Miscellaneous § 1. Notes, sketches, etc. re Indian reservations in San Diego County21 pieces § 2. Miscellaneous notes, reports, sketches of Cave J. Couts b12 pieces § 3. Scratch papers, unidentified field notes of Cave J. Couts b15 pieces · XI. Family papers A. Biographical sketches of Cave J. Couts (a & b)5 pieces B. Baptismal records, wedding announcements, etc., of Couts, Bandini families, 1857-1940 22 pieces [ box: 89 ]C. Miscellaneous biographical and genealogical material re Couts, Bandini, etc., families25 pieces D. Newspaper clippings re Couts, Bandini, etc., families57 pieces E. List of books at Rancho Guajome, 1941< 20 pieces F. School papers, 1838-1882 41 pieces § (including school papers of Cave J. Couts a while at the United States Military Academy, 1838<>1843) 25 pieces G. Recipes, 1851-c. 1930 6 pieces · [ box: 90 ]XII. Photographs182 pieces · XIII. Ephemera A. Social invitations, calling cards, etc.90 pieces [ box: 91 ]B. Unidentified material32 pieces C. Newspaper clippings47 pieces D. Printed matter72 pieces E. Ephemera49 pieces · [ box: 92 ]XIV. Envelopesc.250 pieces XV. Volumes171 pieces · XVI. Maps250 pieces From: janethunter703@aol.com To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [COUTS] Cave Johnson Couts Journal Hello Everyone, I just found an (old) advertisement online for the sale of the following book. I'm curious if any of you have it/have read it, etc. "Hepah, California! The Journal of Cave Johnson Couts, from Monterey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, to Los Angeles, California, During the Years 1848-1849 Author: Couts, Cave Johnson. Edited By Henry F. Dobyns. Published by Tucson, AZ: Arizona Pioneers' Historical Society, 1961."As he was my 3g grandmother, Nancy Couts Bird's nephew, I'm very interested. Janet Hunter

Stuff Hi Janet, Reference Barbara Evans' recent email subject as above. I am a descendent of William Couts, your Nancy's brother. I show her marrying John Bird in 1814 in Robertson Co., TN. and dying in Dade Co., Mo. I don't have any additional Byrd info that I'm aware of. I visited Huntington Lib a couple of years ago and donated two letters circa 1835 and 1840 that had been found folded in my father's bible. They were from William Couts and Nancy Johnson Couts (Cave's parents) to him (1) while in West Point, and (2) while on military duty in Arkansas. They gave delightful glimpses into their family lives. (Cave seems to have been serious about an Indian girl in Arkansas and wanted to bring her home to meet the family.) I felt that the Library would take better care and be able to better share the information. It seems we are lucky that Cave was an excellent correspondent and somewhat of a packrat and saved lots of documents and correspondence. At the library, there was a person assigned as conservator and the library folks were easy to deal with. At that time they permitted controlled handling of the records / correspondence. Although I live in Virginia, I've visited San Diego Co., and Rancho Guajome. Let me know if I can help....Lynn

Dear friends, As most of you know by now, I have had the opportunity to be Miss Ohio 2003. It has been a really busy year, but I have had a great time and I have been able to travel and share my platform with a lot of people. I have given my year of service to my platform issue which involves music and the elderly population. Right now I have a fundraisor CD on the miss ohio website, www.missohio.org. The funds are going to charity, and in order to reach my donation goal of selling a thousand CDs, I need your help. If any of you have experienced the Alzheimer's disease like my family has, or if you have a special place in your life for music, please just check out the website. I would really appreciate anything that you could do to help me make my year finish with a bang!!! Thanks, Janelle Couts Miss Ohio 2003 Janelle, Congratulations on your successful reign. I'm sure you will be missed! I will add your letter to our next newsletter. Have a beautiful life, Your distant cousin, Barb

Subject: "Kautz - family" From: "peter kautz" <kautz.peter@gmx.de>Hello, My name is Peter Kautz and I found your homepage at random today. I am 22 years old and does currently live in Stuttgart - Germany, however, I was born in the north of Germany a city called Bremen. My father came to Germany when he was a small boy. Therefore, my original roots are in today’s Polen. I would be interested whether there are any connections between our families. Thus, I want to ask if it is possible to send me a few historical information or a more specific family tree of your/our family. Thank you very much for your efforts and help. Kind regards Peter Kautz

To: cjcouts@earthlink.net From: Barbara Evans Subject: Re: Couts Family Hello. I bet you have some wonderful information that you could share with our other Coutses. May I add you email to our newsletter? Perhaps you have a story or photo that we could also add. Is there any info that you would like from us? Barb Couts Evans

Subject: Couts Family From: cjcouts@earthlink.net I am Carole J. Couts wife of Rodney A. Couts. Rod is the son of Solomon Byron Couts. This branch of the Couts Family has lived in Northwest Missouri for over 90 years

Subject: Re: Couts Family From: cjcouts@earthlink.net Looks like this is our tree. We all fall under William Barton Couts and Eva Mallon. They are by husband's grandparents.

To: Rusty Couts From: Barbara Evans Subject: Re: Couts Family? Hi Russell, I'm sorry to hear about your dad and grandfather. We only really start thinking about family when they've passed on. The first step is to gather any information that you have about your immediate family-dates, places, spouses' maiden names etc. Put that info into records, census (1930 and back) tax, deeds, death cert. wills, voting records. Find a chart you like, maybe off of ancestor.com. Then, check our web page for family lines. Just do one line at a time, but gather as much info about the other lines as you can. Most of the info is online now Ancestry.com; genealogy.com This info is like mine, just what other people have put into it, not proven facts. Save all pictures and scan and send, I'm sure some of our webpage visitors will recognize them. Keep in touch and let me know how else I can help. Barb Couts Evans

Subject: Couts Family? From: Rusty Couts My name is Russell Couts and I live in Kansas City, MO. My Charles William and his Father Charles Othoe Couts were both from Kansas City, Kansas. I know little to nothing about my family and since I recently (3 yrs) lost my father to cancer and my grandfather died in 1994 Iv'e got no one to ask, I ran a search in yahoo and found you. If you could help me get started on my genealogy or know of any ties in this area I would love to hear from you. Thank You, Russell William Couts

From: Jeanne Flowers Subject: Anne Coutz Hi, I'm searching for info on Anne Coutz, wife of Peter Coutz, found living in Greene County, PA, Springfield Twp., in the 1860 census. The info is as follows: 1860 Greene County, PA, Springfield Twp. (Wonder if they could have meant Springhill?)
Name                                      Age   Gender       Occupation                                            Birth Place
Peter Coutz                            53            M            Tenant Farmer                                      PA
Anne Coutz                           45            F                                                                              PA
Barbara Coutz                       27            F              Home-Domestic                                    PA
Martha M. Coutz                  25            F              Home-Domestic                                    PA
John V. Coutz                       20            M            Farm laborer, Mulatto                          PA
Daniel W. Coutz                   14            M                                                                            PA
Christopher Coutz                1            M                                                                            PA
Elisabeth Flowers                 84            F                                                                              MD
James Coen                           27            M            Day laborer                                           PA
Leon H. Coutz                       11            M                                                                            PA
Sanford S. Coutz                  8            M                                                                            PA
William D. Nelson                7            M                                                                            PA
Anne died in 1894 in Greene Co, PA, and is buried in Springhill Twp., in Windy Gap Cemetery. Could not find Peter's death info. I'm researching the Flowers family and wonder if this Anne Coutz could be the daughter of the Elisabeth Flowers who is living with the Coutz family in this census. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Jeanne Flowers

Subject: Can you add a query to your newsletter/webpage for me? From: P Drummond Jenkins

I am trying to get more information on Peter Couts. One of his sons' was Leon(itis) H(amilton?) Coutz who was my 2xgreat grandfather. Leon apparently was born in 1849.Peter's wife was Martha Ann(ie) (Flowers) Couts/Coutz, she was born somewhere in Pennsylvania, her mother, Elizabeth Flowers was born in 1776 in Maryland. (Martha) Annie Coutz died December 10 1894 in Springhill township in Greene County, PA.
My currant theory is that Peter's father was a Michael Couts (also in Greene County, PA). Michael appears in the 1800 Pennsylvania census, the only Couts in Greene County. Any confirmation or other information is welcomed and appreciated. Thank you, Patty (Drummond) Jenkins Subject: [COUTS] Couts From: "Dean & Debbie Gallino" <dgallino@QuixNet.net> I am looking for Grace Winnie Couts - Born in Missouri about 1887/1888. She married Hebert Henry Hill. Debbie Gallino

Subject: RE: Nancy Reed From: sandy ricketts Hi Barbara, Thanks for your quick response. The e-mails mentioned Armer and George Reed. I have found quite a bit about them in Warrick Co. and have written several people researching that line. They feel that Abraham might be George Reed's son because the birthdate would fit along with coming from VA and settling in Warrick. However, none of them have ever come across the name Abraham in their research. I think I originally mentioned that Abraham was my ggg grandfather. Actually, I forgot to add another g. I may have some info. for you on the Couts, though. I have some research I obtained several years ago done by June Kifer Ricketts. She did it the old fashioned way and even had her own microfilm machine at home. She has typed notes, handwritten notes, etc. that are fairly complete. I'll list what she has and would be glad to send you a copy of her actual typed and handwritten notes if you want them. She included this information as Mary Ann Couts Gwaltney married James Madison Ricketts, Sr. who was my ggg grandfather. This was a second marriage for both of them and took place in Warrick County, IN on Dec. 5, 1864.According to June, Mary Ann Coutz (Couts) first married Aaron T. Gwaltney after 1835. She was born 5 Oct 1830 in Warrick Co. and Aaron was born 22 Dec 1828 in unknown location. They had two children: Mary (no other info.) who married Unk. Brown. Their other child was John born abt. 1855 and died after 1910. This An obit I have from the Boonville Enquirer (Stanley News) dated May 1, 1903 says: Mrs. Mary Ann Ricketts was born Oct. 5, 1830 and departed this life April 21, 1903, age 73 years 6 months and 6 days. She was married at an early age to Mr. Gwaltney and to this union was born two children, one daughter Mrs. Mary Brown of Petersburg and son John of here. Her husband preceded her to the grave. In 1863 she was married to James. R. (should be M.) Ricketts and to this union was born four children three daughters and one son, nix: Mrs. Joe Madden, Mrs. Arthur Parke, and Louis Ricketts of near here: her husband and one daughter preceded her to the grave several years. She belonged to the Regular Baptist Church and was a faithful member for 35 years. Her remains were laid to rest in the Providence Cemetery April 22nd, Rev. Oliphant officiating. We extend our sympathy to the children in the loss of a loving mother. (Providence Cemetery is in Gibson Co., IN).

(This John C. Ricketts was my gg grandfather. He had been in and out of the mental hospital and I think John C. Gwaltney must have been the only one willing to take him in. John Ricketts is listed as a widower, but he wasn't. I think his wife had had enough and left with the kids and was living in Gibson Co., IN).

Unfortunately, part of the handwritten notes on the ______ Gwaltney Family Burial Lot are not that clear. It says the notes were taken April 4, 1942 by Thomas J. Dillingham and this is the list of the dead:

More of the notes go on to say: This family burial plot is located in a little grove on the form of Alvah Ricketts, the son of Lewis Ricketts. The mother of Lewis Ricketts was the widow of Aaron T. Gwaltney. The two graves are enclosed by a small rail pen four rails high.

Remarks: Aaron Gwaltney came to Gibson Co. in 1825. Farmer lived near Ft. Branch. Wife Phelia Scott came to Gibson Co. in 1827 died 1-31-1850. 2nd wife Nancy Taylor came to Gibson Co. from Vanderburgh Co. in 1853.

Abraham Reed's grandchild, Sarah Frances Osborne, married John C. Ricketts who was the one who was in and out of a mental hospital. I don't know if the Nancy Reed I originally asked you about was ever married. Abraham's first wife died and he married 2nd Nancy Caroline Archer. The obit for this Nancy Caroline Archer Reed was written by a Nancy Caroline Reed. The obit for her is very long but it mentions she was survived by two stepdaughters. One would have definitely been Abraham Reed's daughter named Matilda (my ggg grandmother) and I'm thinking the 2nd one might have been this Nancy Reed.

Hope my info. has been of some help to you on the Couts / Gwaltney line. If you think I have anything else you might want, just let me know. Sandy

Subject: couts print From: Evans (Recently there was a print on eBay, that had as its subject the outer wall of J.F. Couts’s Furniture Store. I purchased it and meet some very nice people.) I assume you are familiar with this building in Clarksville, TN (click the ebay link below). You might be interested in the print I found on ebay. I saw it, then searched the internet for "jf couts" and found your webpage. I have nothing to do with selling the print, but I live in Clarksville, and had ancestors who were in business here in that same era. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3653967949&category=20158 Peay

Subject: Re: couts print From: Evans Barbara, Interesting. My gg grandfather, John Hurst, had a business right on "the square" in Clarksville, not a hundred yards from Couts' building. My webpage is in desrepair, but you may view it at http://webpages.charter.net/epeay/peaycuck.html and a short sketch of J. Hurst's life at http://web.utk.edu/~kizzer/tnbiog/hurst.htm. I am certain that Hurst and Couts must have known each other. I recently acquired on ebay an old bill of sale from John Hurst's company. It is fascinating to see what he was selling and what the prices were in 1897. I will photograph it and email to you, if interested.

Subject: Marcy Smith From: Lori Camper I am looking for Marcy Smith who has made some notes on your website at: http://www.coutsfamily.com/news23.htm. She e-mailed me a few weeks ago about her Brown family, and evidently gave me a wrong e-mail address. I have not been able to contact her. punkin7703@msn.com is invalid and the one she gave me is punkin7703@cox.net. If you know how to reach her, I would be very appreciative. Thank you, Lori Camper campers@spamcop.net

From: "Janelle Couts" <janellecouts@earthlink.net>To: <bevans@coutsfamily.com> Subject: Janelle Couts - Miss Ohio Dear Couts relatives, Our daughter Janelle Couts is the reigning Miss Ohio until June 2004. She began singing in nursing homes 6 years ago as a tribute to her grandmother, Eileen Couts - wife of George Thomas Couts from the Louisville, Ohio family of George Woods Couts. Eileen played the piano and organ in several churches, taught piano and sang in may musical groups. She loved music all her life and it was one of the last ways we could communicate with her. Janelle's platform during her year of service as Miss Ohio is Bridging the Generation Gap through Music and the Arts. She has released a CD entitled Favorite Things. Proceeds are earmarked for the Alzheimer's association. Song titles include Favorite Things, Over the Rainbow, Sittin' on top of the World, What a Difference a Day Makes and other songs from the 20's, 30's and 40's. It is available at the Miss Ohio web sight. We thought our Couts relatives far and wide might enjoy a CD made by someone in the family! Check out the Miss Ohio web page. www.missohio.org. Or go to Google and type in Janelle Couts Miss Ohio.

Hi, I found a reference to Nicholas Koontz from "Phalynx50" in Newsletter #16 (Vol 4, No 3, 2000). Nicholas is also my ancestor and I would like to get in touch with "Phalynx50" to exchange information on Nicholas' family. Could you give me her name and full email address or forward this email on to her? Thanks for your help! Jim Moseley Memphis, TN

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Subject: [COUTS] Sarah Wright, wife of Christley Couts Sr.From: "Anne Miller" <amille01@coin.org> Do any Christley researchers have definite information concerning Sarah Wright, the wife of Christley Couts Sr.? I know that they married (where?) and arrived in Tennessee Co NC before TN 1796 statehood. I also know that Christley died before October 1790 and she then married William Collins. They lived in the Robertson Co portion of Tennessee Co when it was dissolved. There are also many records of their life in Warren Co KY and Lafayette Co MO. I am descended from son Christley Couts Jr. and Frances Barton, daughter of Bavister Barton and Elizabeth ?. Past researchers of this line have suggested that Sarah was the sister of Rebecca Wright, whose marriage to John R. Pearson of Brunswick Co VA is documented. Does anyone have evidence that Christley Sr. was ever in that vicinity? Where did he find Sarah?Thanks so much for any hints you can offer. I am planning a research trip to TN and would love to make some progress on my (our) mystery lady's lineage. Anne in MO

Barbara I have all you sent. I worked with Earl and Wolf on the family. In fact, I've worked on it for 20 years +. My son discovered where they were in Germany so we hired the researcher over there. I'd like to have the family of your Teter Kautz. I hoped you would know something about Matthias who supposedly died in Greenbriar Co., Va. I'm not satisfied he didn't have children. I have quite an assortment of Keslings marriages that can't be accounted for in any family. So, I think Matthias had a family. If you know anything about him, and if you have a listing of Teter's family, I would like that.
Thanks very much for all you sent, just the same. Ethel Beard Simons: obit for Phillip Kautz of Cheyenne, Wyoming
Subject: Re: [BARTON] Re: Bavester Barton, Berry "Greenberry" Barton, Wade H. From: "TOM MORRIS" <morris-morris@msn.com>You have John H Barton's wife listed as Grahmn. I have that he married a Lucy Meaders also. I am confused because you have a Lacy Meadows Meaders as a male married to a Betsey Barton. Do you have the marriage records? I am just wondering if my aunt read the listing wrong in the marriage index. Thanks Lisa

From: "Jessie Jones" <angelassistant@yahoo.com>Subject: Hello Barbara Couts Evans Hello Barbara, I know this is only one of many letters you receive concerning your website... I found the letters you have online very nice and informative. I am also researching the couts lineage.. My gggrandmother was Rhoda Fleener who parents are Thomas Fleener and Eliza Couts. Upon researching this line I found Eliza Fleener living right next door to my grandparents Rhoda Fleener and William Wilson in the 1880 Census for Gibson Co. Ind. Thomas had already died but Eliza Fleener was still alive.. More research online lead me to the John Couts and Mary "Polly" Caldwell.. I am like you and want verification of these facts.. You say only Polly Caldwell.. I would rather have her correct name and after reading sever dozens of your letters online.. I believe her name to be only Polly and not Mary called Polly. I could not access your other page online.. it would not load.. Would like to correspond with you more on this line...Distant Cousins Jessie Jones also a descendant of Polly Caldwell and John Couts..I live close to you in Penryn Ca.{Hi neighbor!}

From: <smokeyandjo@yahoo.com> Subject: obit for Phillip Kautz of Cheyenne, Wyoming This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HOm.2ACIB/50 Message Board Post: The following obit is reprinted from the Jan. 27, 2004 edition of the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle with permission of Cheyenne Newspapers, Inc. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved. Phillip Kautz 1929-2004 Phillip "Ray" Kautz Sr., 74 of Cheyenne died Jan. 24 in Cheyenne. He was born Aug. 15, 1929, in Cheyenne and had lived here all of his life. Mr. Kautz was a policeman for the city of Cheyenne. He retired in 1975 as a sergeant. He was a boilermaker apprentice for the Union Pacific Railroad and worked for the city golf course retiring in 1995. He served in the U.S. Air Force during the Korean conflict and also served in the National Guard. Mr. Kautz is survived by his wife, Frances Kautz of Cheyenne, whom he married June 4,1950, in Cheyenne; a son, Phillip Ray Kautz Jr. of Cheyenne; a daughter, Sandra Louise Moser of Cheyenne; two grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his parents, Phillip and Edna Kautz. Memorial services will be 11 a.m. Saturday at Trinity Lutheran Church with the Rev. David Caspersen officiating. Cremation has taken place at Cheyenne Memorial Gardens. Friends may contribute to Adopt a Student Fund at Trinity Lutheran Church School, Hospice or Trinity Lutheran Church. Services are under the direction of Wiederspahn-Radomsky Chapel of the Chimes. Note: I am of no relation, but my sympathies go out to those of you who are. This is here as a lasting memorial for Mr. Kautz.

Subject: RE: Nancy Reed From: sandy ricketts Hi Barbara, Thanks for your quick response. The e-mails mentioned Armer and George Reed. I have found quite a bit about them in Warrick Co. and have written several people researching that line. They feel that Abraham might be George Reed's son because the birthdate would fit along with coming from VA and settling in Warrick. However, none of them have ever come across the name Abraham in their research. I think I originally mentioned that Abraham was my ggg grandfather. Actually, I forgot to add another g. I may have some info. for you on the Couts, though. I have some research I obtained several years ago done by June Kifer Ricketts. She did it the old fashioned way and even had her own microfilm machine at home. She has typed notes, handwritten notes, etc. that are fairly complete. I'll list what she has and would be glad to send you a copy of her actual typed and handwritten notes if you want them. She included this information as Mary Ann Couts Gwaltney married James Madison Ricketts, Sr. who was my ggg grandfather. This was a second marriage for both of them and took place in Warrick County, IN on Dec. 5, 1864.

According to June, Mary Ann Coutz (Couts) first married Aaron T. Gwaltney after 1835. She was born 5 Oct 1830 in Warrick Co. and Aaron was born 22 Dec 1828 in unknown location. They had two children: Mary (no other info.) who married Unk. Brown. Their other child was John born abt. 1855 and died after 1910. This

An obit I have from the Boonville Enquirer (Stanley News) dated May 1, 1903 says: Mrs. Mary Ann Ricketts was born Oct. 5, 1830 and departed this life April 21, 1903, age 73 years 6 months and 6 days. She was married at an early age to Mr. Gwaltney and to this union was born two children, one daughter Mrs. Mary Brown of Petersburg and son John of here. Her husband preceded her to the grave. In 1863 she was married to James. R. (should be M.) Ricketts and to this union was born four children three daughters and one son, nix: Mrs. Joe Madden, Mrs. Arthur Parke, and Louis Ricketts of near here: her husband and one daughter preceded her to the grave several years. She belonged to the Regular Baptist Church and was a faithful member for 35 years. Her remains were laid to rest in the Providence Cemetery April 22nd, Rev. Oliphant officiating. We extend our sympathy to the children in the loss of a loving mother. (Providence Cemetery is in Gibson Co., IN).

More of the notes go on to say: This family burial plot is located in a little grove on the farm of Alvah Ricketts, the son of Lewis Ricketts. The mother of Lewis Ricketts was the widow of Aaron T. Gwaltney. The two graves are enclosed by a small rail pen four rails highIn different handwriting which I believe is June's handwriting says: Remarks: Aaron Gwaltney came to Gibson Co. in 1825. Farmer lived near Ft. Branch. Wife Phelia Scott came to Gibson Co. in 1827 died 1-31-1850. 2nd wife Nancy Taylor came to Gibson Co. from Vanderburgh Co. in 1853.

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Bboopbeard@aol.com Subject: Kautz/Kesling Barbara Your Teter Kautz may be related to my Kesling family of Rockingham Co. Have you located your information?

From: Bboopbeard@aol.comSubject: Re: Kautz/Kesling Barbara I have all you sent. I worked with Earl and Wolf on the family. In fact, I've worked on it for 20 years +. My son discovered where they were in Germany so we hired the researcher over there. I'd like to have the family of your Teter Kautz. I hoped you would know something about Matthias who supposedly died in Greenbriar Co., Va. I'm not satisfied he didn't have children. I have quite an assortment of Keslings marriages that can't be accounted for in any family. So, I think Matthias had a family. If you know anything about him, and if you have a listing of Teter's family, I would like that. Thanks very much for all you sent, just the same. Ethel Beard Simons

From: <pugwam@comcast.net> To: <KAUTZ-L@rootsweb.com: Ella > Surnames: Corl and Kautz Classification: Query http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HOm.2ACIB/49
Message Board Post:I'm looking for information on a Ella or Ellen Kautz. Maiden name Corl of Annville, Lebanon County Pa. or Marysville Perry County Pa. Born just before Civil War She married out of Marysville to a S.H. Kautz has a dead infant son in Chestnut Grove Cemetery. Last known address in Hummerltown Dauphin County Pa. in 1909 in Her father's will. I cannot find anything on her after 1909.

From: "Alexandra Anderson" <afca@southwestern.edu> Subject: Catron family - DAR Dear California Couts Cousins: I came across editions of your family newsletter online when I did a search for Catron-DAR. I'm trying to prove my Catron patriot for DAR membership and saw notes from Becky Hall and Gerald McCoy. Do you have contact info for these folks? I would love to get in touch with them.
From: "TAG" <tagordon@hotmail.com>To: <bevans@syix.com>Subject: Davidson Co TN Gordons Hello. I found your old posting on Rootsweb concerning early Gordons of Davidson Co TN and am wondering what time period in which you are searching? I am trying to find info on a Charles Gordon that received a land grant in Warren Co TN from NC for defending residents of Davidson Co in 1796. Tei A. Gordon

From: "Evans" <bevans@syix.com> To: "TAG" <tagordon@hotmail.com>Subject: Davidson Co TN Gordons These are some of the Gordons that I have found in my readings of old history or the region (including a great number of our allied family names-Gordons, Barton, Caldwell, Stoph, & Fleener and name places and times 1786-1794 Red River, Sulphur Forks) Hope this helps :

The Annals of Tennessee to the End of the Eighteenth Century-The First American Frontier, J.G. M. Ramsey Printed as written:

Page105..hunters whom we left upon the Lower Cumberland were extending explorations in that part of the country. In 1769, or 1770, Mr. Mansco, Uriah Stone, John Baker, **Thomas Gordon**, Humphrey Hogan, Cash Brook, and others, ten in all... ...In the fall of this year, 1771, the country on the Lower Cumberland was further explored by Mansco, in company with John Montgomery, Isaac Bledsoe, Joseph Drake, Henry Suggs, James Knox, William and David Linch, Chritopher Stoph, William Allen, and others. Oct. 6, 1783, County Court of Davidson instituted ..appointing and commisioning the following:...Samuel Barton Esqs. members of the said Court; ...Samuel Barton,...The Court nominated constables in several stations Samuel Mason, at Maulding's...

Page 369 1785 After the treaty of Dumplin, great facilities existed for occupying the country acquired under it, south of the French Broad and Holston, and the stream of emigrantion was principally directed in that channel.1786-88 State of Franklin, John Seivers, Indian Attacks and Politics Page 464 1787 The settlements were now becoming stronger by annual arrivals of emigrants, but had not expanded much, except in the direction towards Red River. Hendrick's Station, on Station - Camp Creek, was
assaulted in the night.

Page 484-485 In June (1789)...Near the mouth of the Sulphur Fork and Red River, the Indians fell upon the families of Isaac and John Titsworth, moving to the county. They...were all killed. Capt. Elijah Robertson, Capt. Rains, accompanied **Capt. John Gordon** in pursuit of the Indians who had
killed a woman...

Page 595 June 13, 1794, Lt McClelland, who had with him thirty-seven of Capt. Evans' s company , was attacked on the Cumberland path near the Crab Orchard...Abraham Byrd was wounded...
Page 604 ? **Gordon' s** company came to a high bluff of the creek. The companies then returned home. (after a small battle)...But the Indians continued to prowl around...on the 4th of June(1793) Adam Fleener, Richard Robertson and William Bartlet were also killed... Page 607 On the 29th of may, 1794..***Capt. Gordon ***followed the Indians.. He overtook them at the foot of Cumberland Mountain, near the place where Caldwell

From: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Davidson Co TN Gordons Happy New Year. My apologies for the delay in replying to you. My flight
back to Tokyo from Oregon was cancelled (due to snow) so I rerouted my return and spent a few days in Hawaii. I have reviewed the allied family names and entries you forwarded me, but am yet unable to make a connection. During the late 1700s, I have found several Gordons scattered throughout Tennessee and I cannot tell how or if they were related. I do know that there were some in Greene Co., Washington Co., White Co., Bedford Co. and Davidson Co., but it seems that I will have to travel to the archives in TN to check records firsthand. A big curiosity is the name Capt. John Gordon that keeps popping up, even in your entries. Do you know anymore about him?

I am limited to using the internet for research, since I am based in Tokyo and I believe that what is on the internet represents probably 1% of the information that is available in the archives and remains to be digitized. Anyhow, as I sift through what I can get my hands on, I will be sure to keep you informed. Just out of curiosity, what is your interest in the Gordons? Are you related to any of them? Best regards, Tei A. Gordon

From: "Evans" <bevans@syix.com> To: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Davidson Co TN Gordons Capt. Gordon was supposed to by this young, dashing Indian fighter, who was a hero in the Rev. War and saved the settlers. From what I have found, he survived the wilderness, married, and moved his family to south central TN. Then, all track of him disappeared. My connection to the Gordons is that our family name Couts is so hard to find, I research lines who married into our line. I have one sister to my 5xgrandfather who was mentioned in a will and would perhaps tie more evidence together. She supposively married a Gordon around 1790. Both disappear about that time. Barb. Aloha!

Subject: Re: Davidson Co TN Gordons From: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> Barbara, You caught me in the middle of work here in Tokyo. I empathize with your having to research allied families. I have been relegated to doing the same as well as resorting to DNA testing. I will be sure to keep my eyes pealed for any Couts in my research as well. There was a John Gordon living on the Duck River in Warren Co. and he appeared there around 1790s with his wife. Are you familiar with this John Gordon? Mahalo, Tei

From: "TAG" <tagordon@hotmail.com>Subject: Re: Davidson Co TN Gordons Good morning, Barbara. I have checked through my files and found the information regarding the Captain John Gordon found in the late 1700s in Tennessee. Circumstantially, the names and dates you mentioned seemed to mesh. Here is a webpage for Capt. Gordon: http://gordonhouse.50megs.com/index.html It is run by a Bryan Sharp [sharpp@mindspring.com] He runs the following webpage:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/captainjohngordon/ I have corresponded with them in the past and did not get too far in finding a connection with my Gordons. However, you might want to give it a try. Please do keep me in the loop. Best regards, Tei

Hello, I'm searching for the spouse of Margaret Couts, Davidson/Robertson County TN, circa 1785-1813. In Goodspeed of Davidson, it states that she might have married a Gordon. Margaret ties together several pieces of evidence in our line, but the mystery lady disappeared with money waiting for her in her uncle's will.. Can you help??? The time and places are right for circumstantial placement with Capt. John Gordon, but I haven't gotten farther in my research, yet. Did Capt. John have another wife or girlfriend, at some time, by the name of Margaret Couts? Does anyone know of a Thomas Gordon, fur trapper and if he had a wife? Our Margaret was supposed to have married a Gordon around 1792. She disappear about that time 1792, married with later child, Susannah Couts-as it was listed in the will. I appreciate any help possible...Thanks, Barb

From: "Evans" <bevans@syix.com>To: "TAG" <tagordon@hotmail.com>Subject: Re: Davidson Co TN Gordons Thanks for your help. It sounds like I can eliminate Capt. Gordon. (Married to another woman)… Barb

Subject: Re: Couts Update From: "Linda Couts" <linda4@casstel.net>
I had sent updates on the family. Don't know why it didn't reach you. Here it is again. Erick Keith Redal Couts married Linda Jo England on October 3rd 1998. His first child Brayan Jymsom Couts has 2 children Ammeray Didain Mason Couts Garin Jacob Couts Miller Their father is Christopher Miller of Denver, Colorado. Russell Couts is also married to a girl named Barbara, I have to get some info on them before I can send any other info. Please, we would like to receive one of the family newsletters and yes you are welcome to put the info in. Thanks Erick and Linda Couts

From: "Gary Anderson" <gandersn@staff.uiuc.edu> Subject: INFORMATION ON GEORGE ANDERSON Dear Couts family, My name is Gary Anderson. I'm a direct descendant of George Anderson who lived in Warren County, Kentucky, and was murdered in 1816, which is referenced in Volume 4 of your various websites. My Great-Great- Great Grandfather was Crittenden Anderson, who was a son of George Anderson and Elizabeth Waters. I was wondering of you have any more information about George Anderson, and his ancestry? Any information that you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Sincerely, Gary Anderson

From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> Reply-To: COUTS-L@rootsweb.com To: COUTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COUTS] Listowner Post - ROLL CALL!!It is time for another Roll Call on this list - let's try to find some cousins and ancestors! Please send a post to the list about your ancestors with this surname - be sure to include information about when and where they lived. Maybe others on the list will have your ancestors in our data, and can help you! Be sure to include the dates and locations for your ancestors. Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [COUTS] - ROLL CALL!! Couts/Coats I'm researching Coats in TN, Robertson County, 1790s...there is a Couts in Robertson County TN, the name in Court records is spelled Coats, but in land and probate records it's spelled Couts...both a John and William Couts are there in the late 1700s and early 1800s...William Couts in the probate records has a wife named Nancy...my Rev William Coats has a wife named Nancy, but he died in Callaway County MO in 1836, so he has been confused with this William Couts of Robertson County TN... In the land record index for Robertson County TN the name is spelled Couts and Coats, there is a William Coats who sells land to a John Baker of the same county...my Rev William Coats married Nancy Baker, but in the land records themselves the name is spelled only Couts, these are the transcribed WPA land records, but the index is the original index...both John and William Couts in the land records, I believe have land near each other in Robertson County TN and share a common adjoining owner, a Thomson or Thompson... So, I'm trying to determine if this John and William Couts is really a Couts or Coats For a look at these records go here: http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292268607 Thanks... Charlotte Coats Coate, Coates, Coats Archive http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar

From: "Evans" <bevans@syix.com> To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [COUTS] - ROLL CALL!! Couts/Coats Hi Charlotte, I have no proof of a William Couts, although the records reflect the spelling and our COUTS family line is filled with Williams. All of the William Couts have turned out to be Coats. Our Coutses moved to Indiana, Texas, and Missouri circa 1813-1820 with the Caldwells, Bartons, Mintons, Collins, Andersons, and Baileys. The John Couts in the 1790 of Robertson County would have been ours, brother to my Chrisley d.1792, and the ones who supposively had a brother William. Barb Couts Evans Coutsfamily.com

From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats@hotmail.com>To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com>From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [COUTS] Listowner Post - ROLL CALL!! Thanks Barb...anyone in your group interested in DNA projects...we have included the name Couts in our variations of Coats at present...we do have some researchers who believe that there is a German variation to Coats Cotes/ Cots ...Kotz? If anyone is or has a Male surnamed Couts or variation...who would like to participate, we could lay all this to rest, costs for the 12 marker test is $99.00 plus $2.00 postage, then if you like you can upgrade to the 25 marker for an additional $90.00 and they now have a new 37 marker test for $59.00, these are group prices....:) for more information on the DNA project: http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm I have found the DNA project extremely helpful and found two new lines connected to my family which earlier researchers had rejected....:)The problem with records sometimes, is: they just don't tell the whole story....:) Char

Carolyn, likewise, I would invite you to join our DNA project...Coate, Coates, Coats, in early Welsh Quaker records it is reported that the name Coates, Coate, Coats was also spelled Coots/Cootes...there is a John and James Coots I believe in Rowan County NC, Cootes/Coats in Davidson County TN and my Baker family is out of Stokes County NC which is near Rockingham and which also contains a Richard Coats, I believe it is...he's in Rockingham that is...Charlotte http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar

From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats@hotmail.com> To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [COUTS] - ROLL CALL!! Couts/Coats Yes, Newberry County SC...he is suppose to be the son of William Coats of Kings Creek who died in Camden District SC...in fact we're pretty sure of that...that name doesn't show up anywhere else...:)Anyway...my Rev William Coats was suppose to be his brother (Barton's) and Wilson Coats in Bedford County TN was suppose to be their brother as well...but our DNA project has put quite a bit of the old research into doubt...in the DNA project, my Rev William Coats matched two other lines that had been rejected as related to him in earlier research...I have documentation for my Rev William Coats wife Nancy Baker and her father Sylvester Baker of Smith County TN/Warren County TN/Wilson County TN back to 1802 to the Brush Creek Primitive Baptist Church in Smith County TN...but prior to that becomes a huge haze...:)There was also another Nancy Baker, 1840 time period in Rowan County NC I think it was, that married in that county...but for my Rev William Coats and Nancy Baker, marriage date about 1792, I can't find anything on them prior to 1802...that's why so many people had connected the William Couts in Robertson County TN, partly because his wife's name was Nancy and because I'm sure the name was spelled Coats in some of the records and because he was in that area where Barton Coats was....whether that William Couts is a Coats, I don't know...but because the later probate records spell it Couts, I'm inclined to think that is a Couts, but certainly not my William Coats of Smith County TN...In fact, my Rev William Coats and Nancy Baker were married in about 1792, or he could have had a first wife we don't know about, because in 1792 her father and family were in Stokes County NC until about 1802/04, I think they had one son born in Wayne County KY in 1804...ton of kids for my Baker family, his second wife was Ann, she's found in the Callaway County MO land records and his probate file same county, can't find a record of his first wife Experience, who was suppose to be the mother of my Nancy Baker...anyway, Sylvester was in Rowan County NC to about 1784, then Stokes county NC till about 1802/04, then Wayne County KY for just a year or two...then he says on to Davidson County TN, but he's in the Smith County and Warren County TN land records...anyway, I can't place Rev William Coats anywhere near Nancy's family in 1792...which makes me think, he was either married prior to his marriage to her or he didn't get to TN until later and was somewhere in NC prior to his marriage with her, her family was never in SC...I can't find a marriage record for them in Rowan or Stokes County NC or Wilkes County NC...

The Richard Coats I mentioned before out of Rockingham NC, matched a different group of Coats in our DNA project, I was indeed hoping he would match my line...sure helps give you some clues...:) anyway, that Richard Coats came from Halifax County VA to Rockingham NC, his father we believe was also named William....and there was another group of Coats early on in Halifax County TN...but not only are you looking for your ancestor line, but you have to decided whether the name viation is what it is in the records and not something else...:) It has indeed become an overwhelming task...but I know there is a William, James and John early on in his life...all of our lines that match in the DNA have a James, John or William as first names...:) so could be his father was named John Coats and his father named James Coats...parentage for my Rev William Coats that would be...So the search goes on...:) Char

From: "Charlotte Coats" <coats@hotmail.com> To: <bevans@coutsfamily.com> Subject: RE: Cotes to Couts Yeah...I think there is a Peter Cotes in either KY or TN.. but in SC some of the Coats are spelled Cotes/Coats right in the same deed record!! Char

To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com>Subject: [COUTS] Peter Coutz My great-great grandparents were Leonitis and Malissa (RHOME) COUTZ. They died in Greggsville, (a neighborhood in Wheeling, WV.) Leonitis on Mar. 19, 1935, and Malissa on Jan. 12, 1939. Now I am looking for information on Peter COUTZ, (Leonitis' father) apparently from the Greene County area of Pennsylvania. I found a Peter Coutz in the 1870 census of Greene County, PA online, but I don't know if this is the right family or not. I do not know what my next step should be. I have also found a will online of a Peter Coutz/Couts from Calhoun Co., WV for Oct. 1887. It can be found here:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvcalhou/coutz-will.htm I'm afraid I don't have much information about this family. Hoping to connect with someone that is also doing research. Patty (Drummond) Jenkins Miamisburg, Ohio

From: <Yns1964@aol.com>To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com>Subject: Re: [COUTS] Listowner Post - ROLL CALL!! I am connected to the Couts- John A. Couts born Ohio, Occupation Plasterer by married to my 2nd great aunt Mary Borst born in Pennsylvania (probably Lancaster area) died in Upper Sandusky, Ohio. Their children were Anna L. Couts born 1862, Grant Couts born 1865 and Ralph V. Couts born 1869. I have no other information. If anyone is related to this group, I would be thrilled to hear from you. I have quite a bit of Borst information, but would like to fill in Mary's line. Mary was my great-great grandmother's sister. Kathy Ochs

From: "Taffy Couts" <tcouts@2xtreme.net> To: <COUTS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [COUTS] Listowner Post - ROLL CALL!! Ok I know your Couts is part of my husband's line. Can't do anything until weekend, tcouts@2xtreme.net.I have line before Ralph... Pat of Christian Couts/Henry Couts line out of Bucyrus.taffy
From: "Evans" <bevans@syix.com>To: COUTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COUTS] Listowner Post - ROLL CALL!! I am seeking the descendants of Dietrich Couts (sic) Kautz Possible immigrant grandfather of the Robertson County TN Couts: Dietrich Kautz, North America-Pennsylvania 1750, he took the Oath of Allegiance on the Edinbaugh John Russell Captain, August 13, 1750, a ship that traveled from Rotterdam by way of Cowles, England. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index: 1983 Supplement. EGLE: Name of Foreigners Who Took the Oath of Allegiance Source # 4565, names of German, Swiss, and other Immigrants-1750. On the same list was all landing in Pennsylvania, from Rotterdam: Johannes and Christian Kautz, 1752, page 364" brother John, with their father, Christian Couts (Kautz) appear. The records of their passage to the New World are listed in the Lutheran Church records found through extensive research by the Kissling Family, in-laws to J. Couts (Kautz).Dietrich "Teter" Couts fought in the French and Indian War. Bought property and lived with his wife, Susanna on Walling Creek for twenty years. In 1781, the property was sold. Possibly he and his three sons and three daughters (maybe more) moved to KY and TN in 1786, John, Chrisley, and Henry are believed to be his sons and Elizabeth, Mary Magdeline, and Margaret are believed to be his daughters. Dietrich is found living with Henry until 1795. Then, Henry sells the property and moves to Elizabethtown, Hardin County, KY. Henry's will ties him to Chrisley. Chrisley is tied to John by way of a headstone. Chrisley dies in 1792. John lives a long and prosperous life, in Robertson County TN. basically following in his supposed father's career footsteps.

Ø 2. If the family is related to the Dietrich Kutch, of Mercer Co. Ky who would be the correct age to be another son.

Ø 3. If Dietrich is in truth the immigrant grandfather for the Couts Family of Robertson Co. TN and Bowling Green, KY Barb Couts Evans Coutsfamily.com

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