COUTS
CALIFORNIA'S COUTS COUSINS
VOLUME 2 FEBRUARY - MARCH - APRIL NUMBER 3 1998
A Quarterly Newsletter for the
Descendants of the Couts Family
EDITOR'S NOTE- Help! SHARE YOUR SIDE OF
THE FAMILY WITH US!! WE WOULD LOVE TO GET TO
KNOW THEM!
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VIOLET COUTS - Subj. Re: COUTS Date: 97-12-19
02:54:09 EST From:WYL244@telapex.com
Patchez and Mack are seeking information on Violet Couts
~ Ok guys, let's hear from all of you experts! Does Violet
belong to us? Please rely ASAP
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THE TETER THEORY - Several have asked why
we believe Teter is our immigrant grandfather. Here's
our theory. You must remember. Noone has found John
and Chrisley's father in the Scottish/English lines,
including us. No one has found a John who works
out genealogically to be their father. So, here we go!
PREFACE~ In order to determine why Teter
(Deterick) Couts was chosen as father to John,
Christian or Christopher, William, Henry, Elizabeth,
Mary Magdalene, and Margaret, a few details must
be explained:
1. Collect information on all person of the line, no
just one person. If the spelling is close, collect it
on all family members. (There are large numbers
of spelling variations).
2. You cannot have preconceived ideas on who
we are or from where we have come.
3. Each fact, story, or family legend has to be
proven or disproved.
4. Historical facts and immigration routes must
be considered when dealing with why
the family ended up where it was.
5. Past research has to be reevaluated and
proven.
6. The origin, time frame, and reason writing
books must be considered.
7. A time line must be established backwards
from know facts, to extrapolate age of ancestors.
8. If previous data has stopped finding answers,
then, go back and reevaluate why it is not
providing answers.
9. Rely on facts or conditions of the research,
not on people and how they feel.
10. Go back periodically, and review how the
information developed and what direction
it will take next.
Solving the mystery! Through census
records, our branch of the family had been
traced back from Indiana to Tennessee. With
census, deeds, wills, and court records, it was
established that our forefather was Chrisley Couts,
Senior. Cemetery information tied Chrisley as
brother of John Couts of Robertson County,
Tennessee. A lawsuit record and then, a will
of Henry Couts, established Henry as the brother
of Chrisley and John. The will listed the
descendants of Chrisley, who were to receive
an inheritance.
The issuance of court documents demanding
appearance for jury duty, land purchases from
heirs, and the remarrying of spouse, and the lack
of mention in further records, set the time reference
for Chrisley's demise. John's notoriety in the
Robertson County, personal records, and his
sisters recall established time and place for his
birth and death (John Couts b. 1759, Loudoun
Co.VA; d. August 1829, Robertson Co Va).
How did Teter get involved?
Teter was mentioned in Goodspeed's History of
Tenn, Sumner Co. Tennessee (Goodspeed ran
a publishing business, selling biographies of
prominent people, to make county histories.
It was written in the mid to late 1800's. His
information was based on interview material
from the biographical family, neighbors, community
leaders, and friends. ) pages 798-802- Robertson
County : "William and James Stark and John Couts
also settled in that vicinity at about the same time
settled in the vicinity of Carr Creek. John Couts
husband of Leah is said to have a brother,
Christopher, father Dietrick. John's sisters
--one married a Gordon and the other a Stark."
Family research legend from as far back as
the twenties, states that John's father was
John of Virginia. Each branch, except one,
expresses that they have been told through
the generations, that the family name is German.
So, there are three things to investigate:
1. Nationality (remembering that no earlier
researchers have found an English / Irish/Scottish
John Couts for John and Chrisley Couts;
2.) A Dietrick Couts (whose German nickname
is Teter, Teterich, or Deter Koutz, Kautz);and
3.) A John Couts of Virginia and from surrounding
states, either English/ Scottish or German,
who's line ended up in Robertson County, Tennessee.
Therefore, with the clues Loudoun County and
Goodspeed's, study of the Virginia records became
most important. After studying The Handybook ,
Loudoun records were with other counties -
Rockingham, Fredrick, and Augusta. Most of
the records during this era were recorded by
the dominant language group, the English, Irish,
and Scottish. Reading about this part of history
it is discovered, the same as it is today, if you
wish to succeed, eliminate your visible ties to
a culture that is discriminated against and will
hold you back. Marriage had few choices,
especially if the neighboring landowner had
the only daughter nearby.
If there was a Dietrick or John, they would
have to fit into the correct time and location. So,
the next step was to take anyJohn or Dietricks
regardless of nationality and trace historically
and genealogically their backgrounds, heirs,
and finally disposition. Each English/Scottish
John turned out to be German. Most were
Coonce, Kuntz, or Koontz from the misspelling
English Counts. In Richmond, VA were the true
English Coutts. They stayed in Va. The Germans
however, moved to SW Va, Pa, or Ohio, each line
fully delineated. One German John Couts, who
had a brother Teter Couts is found in Chalkley's.
(Chalkley's repeatedly took the English spelling
from the records and categorized them as Scotch-Irish ).
John Couts married Elizabeth Hendrich Armentrout
(German from Pa), in 1756. John had no heirs as
listed in his will, Dec 16, 1777 & court records.
Where was Dietrich???
By tracing Dietrich Kautz, North America-
Pennsylvania 1750, he took the Oath of Allegiance
on the Edinbaugh John Russell Captain,
August 13, 1750, a ship that traveled from
Rotterdam by way of Cowles, England.
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index:
1983 Supplement. EGLE: Name of Foreigners
Who Took the Oath of Allegiance Source # 4565,
names of German, Swiss, and other Immigrants-1750.
On the same list was all landing in Pennsylvania,
from Rotterdam: Johannes and Christian Kautz,
1752, page 364" brother John, with their father,
Christian Couts (Kautz) appear. The records of
their passage to the New World are listed in the
Lutheran Church records found through extensive
research by the Kissling Family, in-laws to
J. Couts (Kautz):
There was a long line of Kautzes who lived
in Steinau an der Strassse, Hesse-Hanau, thirty-five
miles northeast of Frankfurt an Main. Christian Kautz
and son, Johannes, and his daughter, Anna Gertrude
(nee Kautz) and husband, Christoph KiBling/Kissling
came from Steinau, Hesse-Hanau, to Philadelphia,
in Oct., 1752, on the ship Neptune. Christian Kautz's
son, Dietrich, had come prior to this in 1750, to
Pennsylvania, and settled in the Tulpehocken area
of either Berks or Lancaster Counties, PA. These
later arrival probably joined Dietrich in his area.
In about 1758, Dietrich (b. January 1, 1726/27)
moved to Brocks Gap, old Augusta County, VA,
and now Rockingham Co. Va. John Kautz and
Christoph and Anna Gertrude (nee Kautz) Kissling
moved to near McGaheysville, Augusta Co., VA later
Rockingham Co. VA.
A.) Pages of Court Records:Chronicles of the
Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia,
extracted from Augusta Co 1745-1800 , by
Lyman Chalkley Volume II.
1.) Page 447 6th December, 1753. Sale bill of
Nicholas Trout's estate to Jno. Love,
Jno Hales Evan Evans.... Settlement of
above estate by Geo Trout, adm, recorded
21st May, 1766--Cash paid for liquor at
the endue, 5 gallons at 3/;cash paid for
liquor at a grubbing frolick, 6 qts at 9 per
qt,Lo.5.6 cash paid for 6 qts of liquor at the
funeral L04.6.: paid Teter Couts
B.) French and Indian War-
1.) Augusta County, Henning's Statutes, Vol. 7
pages 179-200 Captain Alexander
Sayers, for his pay and the pay of his officers
and co of militia to the last day of Aug,
1758, inclusive, as per muster-roll -To
Lieutenant Christian Bingaman pay role-
Tetrarch Couch no pounds 18 shillings;
others: Adam Hendrick
2.) VA Colonial Militia Henning Statutes at
Large, Crozier Vol. 11 pg 62 Militia 1758
Tetrarch Couch
3.) Chronicles of the ScotchmIrish Settlement
in Va, court records of Augusta Co
1w4u-1800 , by Lyman Chalkley Volume II
4,) Page 358- 8th February, 1759 Vendue of
John Wingord's estate- ToTetrach
Couch, Frederick Ermantrout, John Couch,
Christian Tetrach
5.) Page 358, Feb 8, 1760-Andrew Bird, Wm
Logan,Tetrich Counts & John Counts,
added to tithables.
6.) Page 447 1767-68 John Dunkle and Michael
Props, Proces'ed by for Abraham
Bird, present Teter Couts.
C. REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1782
(WESTERN FRONT)
1.) Augusta County Court Records - Book 9
Examined and delivered to Teter Couts,
Feb. 7, 1779 Page 445 This Indenture made
of the Fourth Day of August 1761
Between Adam Reder of the one part and
Teter Couts of the other part both of
Augusta County Witness that this Adam
Raider ...Teter Couts all that Tract and parcel
of Land situate lying and being in Augusta
County on a branch of the North River of
Shanandor called Wallings Creek and bounded
as follows Walnut or Walling Creek
in a small town just inside the present day
Kentucky borders.
2.) The German Element of the Shenandoah
Valley of Virginia By John
Walter Wayland pg 58 Names of Persons who
Sold Land in Rockingham Co. from
1777 to 1793
3.) From the First Deed Book, No. 0 Valley Germans
Appendix. Deter`Kouts
`Others: Philip Armentrout, A. Armentrout, Charles
Grim, John Drake, Abram Lincoln
4.) 1786 Tax`List - Wayne County (central-eastern),
North Carolina -Couch, Dederick
p-q-0 Journal of N.C. Genealogyl Vol VIII,
No. 2 March 1962 German
Speaking People West of the Catawaba R. in
NC 1750 -1800
unknown court documents from Nashville,
Tennessee
5.) Page 344 Nashville, January 6, 1789, present
Samuel Barton, Deed, Jas. Siming
(?) to Frederick Davis proven by Frederick
Koun(?). (item is very faded)
6.) A:530-August 16, 1791-To Teter Cotes (indexed
as T. Cotes) from John Matthews
and Mary, his wife, of Madison Co(Va.),40 acres
for 40 pounds on the middle fork of
Sugar Ck (near Henderson KY) Ack'ked in court
16 Aug 1791.
7.) C:3 August 18, 1795-Teter (indexed as Peter) Couts
to John Bryant, Both of
Lincoln Co. NC, for 63 pounds 10 shillings, 40 acres
in Lincoln Co. on the waters of
Sugar Creek.
8.) 13.)C-3 ( This is the land in A:520 (A:530). Witnesses
were John Hall, John Ferris
and William Daugherty. Deed was acknowledged
in court by Teter Couts to be his
act and ordered to be recorded on 18 Aug 1795.
9.) No further records of Teter Couts.
10.) 1795 Lincoln County Tax Records Henry Couts 1 wm
over 21(white male over 21)
4 horses, 7 cattle, Sugar Creek, 50 acres and Peter
Couts 1 wm over
21
11.) 1798 Couts, Henry and Sarah (Wife) Grantor - Coal,
Ebenezer Grantee Deed Bk
A Pg 116 70acres on Sugar Creek ....
SUMMARIZING THE INVESTIGATION-There was
only one John Couts and one Detrick Couts in Virginia,
who fit the time frames for families. The rest were
German derivatives of Counts, have their own families,
and don't meet the time criteria. John was born 1731,
in Germany, John married a PA German, in VA 1756,
and died 1778, leaving no heirs. John's brother Detrick
"Teter" Couts (b. January 1, 1726/27, d. circa 1795)
mentioned in Goodspeed's (Circa 1850's), has so
far, no records of marriage, but ends up on land
adjacent to, possibly including land owned by Henry
Couts, brother to John Sr. and Chrisley Sr. The
property is within eighty miles of (east) Chrisley's
heirs and (south) to John and family.
Detrick lived in the area named Loudoun (Augusta
County, Virginia) by his daughter, Elizabeth, as the
birthplaces of she and John. He moved to south
western Virginia and then, to North Carolina., before
living in KY and TN which was claimed at that time
by NC.
Detrick's fathers name was Christian (d. circa 1754).
In German naming patterns, Detrick should have
been Christian Detrick or Teter. Detrick's heirs'
names were Chrisley (Christopher? Father-in-law's
name Or Christian? Father's name) Dietrick's son's
name was John, after his brother? Daughter Elizabeth
after his sister-in-law? BUT none of John, William,
or Chrisley's heirs were named Detrick - because
father was still alive, the name is taken by an
unknown brother, he started another family, or
because they didn't like him? Who knows
Detrick would have by probability had children
born in the 1750's and grandchildren born in the
mid 1770's and 1780's. John Sr. and Chrisley Sr.
births' put them in the range. Naming patterns
would have made mother's name, Mary and
Detrick's William maybe Wilhelm Fredrick?or
Fredrick Wilhelm (William).
Is he ours? Circumstantial evidence leads us
to believe he is ours.
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OUR EDITOR -IN-CHIEF, RHONDA RODERICKS,
MADE A GREAT POINT, NOT EVERYONE HAS A
BACKGROUND IN RESEARCH, BUT THEY DO
WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO
THE POINT OF OUR THEORY. RHONDA TOOK
THE INFORMATION AND CHOSE ONLY THE
IMPORTANT FACTS WITH A UNIQUE MASTERY:
The Teter Theory
Investigation guidelines and prerequisites
The following serve as guidelines used in
determining Teter (Deterick) as the father of
John, Christian or Christopher, William, Henry,
Elizabeth, Mary Magdalene, and Margaret.
a. Al, )nformation must be collected for the
entire family, not just a single individual.
If the spelling is close, collect the information
for all the family members. (There
are a large number of spelling variations.)
b. All preconceived ideas about who we are and
where we come from must be discarded.
c. Each fact, story, or family legend must
be proven or disproved.
d. Historical facts and immigration routes
must be considered when determining why
and when the fami¬y was in a place at a
particular time.
e. Past research must be reevaluated and
validated.
f. A writers origin, time period, and personal
perspective should always be considered
when using books for reference.
g. A time line is needed from the current
backwards to extrapolate the age of ancestors.
h. If previous data no longer supplies answers
or leads, one must go back and
determine why it is a dead lead.
i. Rely on facts or conditions of the research,
not on people or how they feel.
j. Go back periodically, and review how the
information developed and what direction
it will take next.
Solving the Mystery
Census records provided the research base
for the Couts family from Indiana to Tennessee.
It was established that our forefather was
Chrisley Couts Sr., by means for census,
land deeds, wills, and court records.
Cemetery information tied Chrisley as a
brother to John Couts of Robertson Co.,
Tennessee. Next it was determined that
Henry was also a brother to John and
Chrisley through a lawsuit record and
Henry Couts' will. The will also listed
the descendants of Chrisley, who were
to receive an inheritance.
Chrisley's death was determined
by the following collective information:
a. The issuance of court documents
demanding appearance for jury duty.
b. Land purchases from heirs
c. Remarrying of his spouse, Sarah
d. Lack of any further information or
mention of him.
The birth/death dates for John Couts
were easy to determine due to his
notoriety in Robertson Co., Tenn.,
personal records, and information
recalled from his sisters establishing
these dates. (John Couts b. 1759,
Loudoun Co., VA. D. August 1829,
Robertson Co., TN.)
Teter's Involvement
Teter was linked to the Couts family
by these pieces of information:
a. Goodspeed's History of Tennessee
pgs. 798-802 Robertson County stated:
"William and James Stark and John Couts
also settled in that vacinity at about the
same time settled in the vicinity of Carr
Creek. John Couts husband of Leah is
said to have a brother, Christopher,
father Dietrick. John's sisters- one
married a Gordon and the other a Stark."
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FAMILY TREASURES, Submitted By Lynn
and Barbara Wilson
The following is a transcribed copy of a letter
from my Great (3) Grandmother, Nancy Johnson
Couts, to her son, Cave Johnson Couts who
was a cadet at the US Military Academy at
West Point NY. It was posted from Springfield
TN on Dec 9 and "Ans" Dec. 28, 1838. The
address was for Cadet Cave J Couts, West
Point New York. The letter was written on
one 14" by 14" sheet folded numerous
times. It is very brittle and now has significant
damage. There are 3 sections to the letter -
it looks like Nancy initially completed a letter
and signed it. Later she added the second
section and her son Wailie, added a note.
Lynn P. Wilson
(Segment 1) December 8
Dear Cave,
I received your letter a few days ago and was
glad to here from you. I have nothing worth
ritten but I no that you would be glad to receive
the money that I am a goyn to send(.) You said
that you would be glad to get some chrysmas
money but you seam to think like I had rather
keep it and buy sugar and coffee than to send
it to you(.) your are very mutch mistaken
(xxxx xxxx) send it to you if I was sure you
wuould get it(.) it true my family is large and
it takes a great deal to do us of every thing(.)
Meet and bread I hardly no when we have
enought(.) we have killed 20 hogs that weight
upwards of 3000 and we will kill 20 more next
weak(.) I wish you could be at home to eat
some of it(.) Yess I do of where I could send
you some once and a while(.) It would go verry
free ygs (eggs?). That it would(.) Its true me
and your father has work hard to make what
we have and do so yet to try to make more
for you all and it is my pleasure to give it to
my children when I think that the(y) no how
to take care of it and not spend it foolishly(.)
I take a delight in given to Mr Judkins for he
dose know how to take care of it and if him
and Marry Ann should live a few years the(y)
will get rich(.) I have no doubt he is a pardner
of conrads(.) I was there to day and the(y)
sold a great menay good(.) there is four
stores in Springfield and he does sell
more than all put to gether(.) I renken you
have not forgot John Hart and Cullen Landon(.)
The(y) are the clerks and I think Culen will
make a fine man. I think you was at home
the year Cullen lived here and went to
school to Mr Slicks(.) I am very busy fixen
Betsy to go to Clarksville to school(.) She
groes so fast that I have everything to make
new tho she can make the most but I have
it to get and fine for her(.) She will start the
1 of January and will bord at your uncle Jo(.)
You wanted to no where I staid at whilst at
Clarks(.) I staid at your uncle Willies one
night and staid one night at your uncle Caves
and one with your uncle Jo and then for home(.)
I left home on Tuesday morning and got
back Friday evening(.) I should not have
went but you uncle Jo said he was a goyn
to leave Clarksville and he did not expect
that I ever would see them all to gether a
gain(.) But he has given out moving and
say that he will take up his law book again(.)
But your uncle Jo dose not no what he is
goyn to do for he is killen him self fast drinken(.)
He told me he would quit it but I do not believe
it. I renken you remember Ephraim Stark that
married rebeca porter(.) He is expected to di
every hour and has been for some time
caused buy drink(.) And Billy Starks three
years this winter since he lay out and was
nearly dead(.) He was frosed so bad both
of his feet come of and most of his fingers(.)
It was twelve months before he got so he
could walk on his crutches(.) He canot walk
with out them and he is drunk now every
chance he has to get it(.)
Sebra Drawun(,) Lucy Savage(,)
Nancy Couts(,) Polly Couts is hear and the
all have fine fun makin candy(.) The all say
that the wish you was hear(.) Your Aunt Nancy
and all is well(.) She talks of you often(.)
Your grand mother and uncle Jacksons family
is all well and all of your relations as far as I
no(.) Your Aunt Nancy Aron dyed last weak.
I am yourAffectionate Mother Nancy Couts
(Second section also in Nancy's handwritting.)
That Mr Heller that married Betsy Ann is no
relation to Mrs Cook husband(.) His name is
Kely whom maried Mrs Cook(.) You must try
verry hard to come home as soon as you can(.)
I think the time long(.) I saw Amanda today at
Mr Hutchisons(.) She and Emily is well and
says that the(y) want to see you badly(.)
Hutchison has moved to town so she and
your sister is close neighbours just across
the street where Bradon use to live and
Bradon bought Doctor Williams(.)
I have rote to your brother John to send your
som money from Clarksville(.) I could not get
any that would do(.) I waited a weak and
Judkins could not get eney(.)
(Added note from brother Wailie Couts.)
Dear Brother(,) I have all most forgot you(.)
What sort of a (remainder of sentence is
unreadable.) I believe you had curly head
and black hair. I hear them say that I am
the likes of brother and that makes me proud
and I mean(?) to try to out learn you if you
are at a big school. Wailie Couts
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The following letter was enclosed in my
father's bible. The writer William Couts is
my great (3) grandfather and the letter was
written to his son, Cave J. Couts, who was
brother to my great (2) grandmother, Julia
Ann Couts. The paper on which the letter
is written is in fair shape although brittle
and torn in a few places where folded.
The hand writing is excellent, but the letter
lacks paragraphing, punctuation and
capitalization. For this transcription, I've
left the spelling as was, but added footnotes
and assumed punctuation for clarity.
Lynn Wilson 11/27/1997
Letter to: Lieu C J Couts
Fort Gibson Ark
Posted : Springfield Tn May 8 My Dear
Cave (* Cave J. Couts, son of William) May 7 1846
We reicd your letter to Martha (* Likely to be
Martha Couts, daughter of William) of April 10
yesterday. We are glad to hear from you.
more particular of your good health and glad
to hear that your purs is not emty. I am glad
to hear your are laying up for the rainy day.
you recollect I oaffen mention to you when
your was at school that when you was hear
a little boy you all ways had your purs with
some money in it. me and your Mother (*c
Nancy Johnson Couts) oaffen talk about
your having and saveing your Money.
you mention about the price of Negroes.
thay are high. hear women worth 500
dollars, boys 600. you mention what
sorter money I would like to have no ods
(*- I don't understand the spelling/word).
suit your conveinants. your Uncle Jackson
(* Jackson Couts, William's brother) is
nomore. he departed from this life the 29
of April. he left four children. he left ever
thing to Archer (* Archer Couts, Jackson's
son) to carry oan just as he had bin doing
untill he is twenty one years oald then to
have a sail. I was with him till he draud
his last breath. may say he dide in my
arms. we had bin setting up with him some
time. it so happen that day no one was
thear but me not enspecting him to dy
quite so soon. he had the consumption
cough and spit vary much. he got so
weak he could skears get out the phleam
. he all at once strangle (and) maid sines
to me to help him up. I don so. he sat up
in the bead resting oan my arms untill he
dide. he was pearfect in his senses. he
maid sines to fan him. I don so. he maid
other sines I could not under stand. all
this didant last more than 15 minuits. you
must no I felt bad. if you was hear to day
you would find us all well. Martha (* Likely
to be Martha Couts) Thomas (* Likely to be
Thomas, son of William) george (* Unknown
/George Archer Couts son of WH ) Wilie
(*William or Willie B.) is up in the cross
Plains keeping store for Reynolds (* Likely
Edward M. Reynolds, husband of William's
daughter, Julia Ann Couts Reynoldsi. he
has bin at home this year going to schooln
Reynolds has bin goan to Missisippi some
four weaks. he has a store thear in Abberdeen.
his intention when he left was to try and sell
out. I am in hopes he will do well. Judkins
(* Unknown/ed. Albert Jundkins who married
Mary Ann Couts, William Henry's daughter )
is selling goods for conrad (*Unknown ) in
springfield doing vary well. he is vary porely
at this time. stark (* Likely Joe C. Stark, close
family friend) is about the same or some what
improved. he says he wants to see you vary
bad. the girls of your acquaintanc are full of
dancing and galanting. I receon when you
come home you will have to go and see
Elizabeth Cheatham (*Unknown ). she
seams vary friendly. she is now goan a
trip to the east. the girls thinks when you
get home thay will have a splended party
as that has got to be fashonable hear
theas days. sence Polks (*l President
James K. Polk) election and Browns
(* Unknown/ed. m. Byrds ) I should
have said Martha Cheatham
(* Unknown) in sted of Elizabeath. I will
rite to your uncle Cave (* Likely Cave
Johnson, father of William's wife, Nancy.
Cave Johnson was Postmaster General
for Polk's administration.) respecting your
furlow. there is a good deal of talk about
war in the Mug (* I don't understand the
spelling/word) papers. thay still try to
keep up some excitement. any thing to
make Polks administration unpopular.
thay say mexico has declard warn if such
is the case it will be doubtful wheather you
could get a furlow or not. you recollect John
gorham h*Unknown ). he has moved to texes
started in March. he inquired whear you was
stationed. perhap he might find you oan the
way as he went by land. he was to go by
Brother James (*Unknown) in Larrance
County Ark. you recollect Mr Frazeur
(* Unknown ) who teached school for us.
he is in Texes. I reicd a letter from him
a few weaks ago. Marshell Texes. no one
hear nows nothing of the place. he says
he is well pleased with the country. What
has becom of your hors Polk & dan tucker
(* Likely horses - "Polk", "Dan Tucker"
and "York"). ar thay two late to get thear
supper or what. you said nothing of thear
health. you have heard york (*Likely
horse - "York") is so old I sent him down
to Clarksville for John (* Likely John F.
Couts, son of William) to sell. he soald
him for 60 dollars six months time. thime
now out. we have fine times hear. everthing
a good price. horses is the lowest. good
mules is worth from 50 to 100 dollars.
corn one dollar and 50 cents pr barrel.
whiskey 35 cents - that is what I get
(*William must have made good whiskey).
30 is common. Bacon 5 and 6 cents.
tobacco 3 and 5 cents per pound. eggs
3 cents pr dozen ant that low I exspect
you could eat a dozen at that price and
ham acording from what you mention in
some of your letters about the time you
began to mend last fall. I doant no how
we will recvie that squaw (*Unknown ).
you mention as our daughteringlaw or
somthing like that or somehow else.
what must we have for her to eat? Ash
(*I don't understand the spelling/word)
pone and venison bar met (* Bear meat?)
& will she no how to sleep in a feather
bead? come ahead. all will be well.
Wm Couts
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MINNIE COUTTS
Mrs. William " Minnie" Coutts, 36, from England,
boarded the Titanic at Southampton, with her
children Neville, 3 and William Leslie, 9.
They were traveling to Brooklyn, NY. They
were in 3rd class and survived the sinking
in Lifeboat #2. They were not ours, but
several of us had seen the name and wanted
to check it out. Apparently, she saved several
lives before getting onto the boat.
Way to go, Minnie!!
From: RHONKAY - Hi. I finally
got a minute to look up the Titanic survivors.
There was a woman named Minnie Coutts.
(Mrs. William) who was traveling with her 2
sons from England to Brooklyn NY, USA.
William Leslie was 9 years old, Neville
was 3 Minnie was 36 at the time. Emegency
Lifeboat #2. (Cap. 40 persons) was launched
from port side at 1.45 am. under command
of Fourth Officer Joseph Boxhall. It was the
15th boat to leave the Titanic and contained
20 people.
Subj: Re: Titanic Date: 97-11-15
17:27:34 EST From: smithie@hotmail.com
(Michelle Wright)
Hi, What a nice letter. Thank you. :) I did a
(quick) check and found a Winnie Coutts,
husband William Coutts, and a child, Leslie
Coutts from a non-authoritative list at
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/cataloging/vnp/titanic/p2.htm.
They embarked at Southhampton as 3rd class
passengers and all survived, according to this
source. (Last names sometimes get changed
slightly, as ours did). An excellent genealogical
source for ship's immigrants is at http :// www.
oz.net/~ cyndihow/ships.htm. This portion of her
site is HUGE. Last, but not least, is the real
Titanic Historical Society at http://www. titanic1
.org/. These are the originals who started it all
and are outstanding. As a side note, I had a
passing acquaintance with a detective William
Coutts of Watertown MA. Cheers Winnie Couts,
passenger, who helped people survive the
disaster. Do you have any information about her?
I publish a family newsletter and Winnie would be
a wonderful feature. It would also allow us to link
to your Titanic pages. Thanks! Barbara Couts Evans
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The People vs. Cave J. Couts--a chapter from
Stranger Than Fiction Vignettes of San Diego
History…by Richard W. Crawford (San Diego
Historical Society, 1995). Mr. Crawford's book
"Stranger Than Fiction" has the Couts family is
mentioned in several chapters. You can order
a copy through the San Diego Historical Society
web site or via Amazon.com.
Early Monday morning on February 6, 1865, Colonel
Cave Johnson Couts prominent rancher, judge,
and politician, from San Luis Rey, stood inside
George Tebbetts' butcher shop in Old Town. While
talking with Tebbetts he noticed a former employee
of his, Juan Mendozˇ, stroll across the plaza and
enter the Franklin House.
Minutes later, Couts watched again as Mendoza walked
out of Franklin's and into the street. "That man has
threatened my life on sight!" he exclaimed as he picked
up his double-barreled shotgun and strode out to confront
Mendoza. "Don't shoot him!" Tebbetts yelled, but Couts
raised his gun and fired. The shot flew wide and Mendoza
ran for his life. From thirty yards away Couts fired again
and Mendoza fell, killed instantly by a round of large shot.
The shooting of Juan Mendoza stunned the people of San
Diego. Couts was a respected man and popular with the
community's elite. But the act of killing an unarmed man
in broad daylight, in front of several witnesses, could
not be ignored.
The local justice of the peace, John Compton,
ordered Couts jailed. By Thursday, however, friends
had posted $15,000 bail and Couts was released.
Months passed. Finally in June, 1866, the Grand Jury
indicted Couts for murder. In October, trial began in
District Court.
Old Town San Diego in 1874
Testimony revealed what many had known all along:
Mendoza was no innocent victim. Weeks before the
shooting he had been dismissed by Couts after a
dispute over wages. Afterwards, Mendoza swore
publicly that he would kill the rancher at the first
opportunity. Mendoza's past deeds suggested that
the threat was not an idle one.
Forty-six years old at the time of his death,
Mendoza had led a violent career, mostly in his
native Mexico. As the corrupt alcalde of a mining
district in Baja California, he was infamous for
extorting money from the population--"particularly
Americans". Later, as the leader of a band of
revolutioniaries, he allegedly murdered nearly a
dozen people after robbing them of goods and
property.
When it became too hot for Mendoza below the
border he came to San Diego, where his wife,
"an estimable and useful woman," found
employment with Mrs. Couts at Rancho Guajome.
Mendoza was hired as Couts' mayordomo. Trial
witness Eugenio Morillo, a long-time acquaintance
of Mendoza, recalled that he was a violent man
with "the face of an assassin." When asked
Mendoza was the kind of man to carry out a
murder threat, Morillo replied: "he was,
certainly, he would be apt to get you before
you got him."
Based upon the testimony of Mendoza's
character and probable intentions, the jury
accepted the shooting as a pre-emptive act
of self-defense. Newspaper reporter Rufus
K. Porter recounted the trial's outcome in
correspondence to the San Francisco Bulletin:
The General [Volney E. Howard] made a very
eloquent appeal to the jury, and reviewed
the testimony very ably. The discharge of
Col. Couts was received with much applause
and the verdict of "not guilty" pronounced righteous.
COUTS TIMELINE:
1727 Dieterick "Teter" Kautz was born
1750 Dietrick arrived in Philadelphia
1752 John and Christian Kautz arrived
in Philadelphia
1753 Teter to be paid for liquor at
grubbing (making of a garden)
1754-1758 French and Indian War
1757 CHRISLEY COUTS BELIEVED BORN
1758 Teterich paid for being in Militia
/ Fr.& In War
1759 Teterich paid vendue from estate
WILLIAM BELIEVED BORN
1760 Paid tithable with Andrew Bird
/ELIZABETH COUTS BELIEVED BORN
1761 Bought land on Walling Creek /
MARY MAGDELINA BELIEVED BORN
1763/4 WILLIAM AND HENRY BELIEVE BORN
1765 JOHN COUTS BELIEVED BORN
1766 Teter Couts paid for liquor at
Grubbing / MARGARET BELIEVED BORN
1767-8 Abraham Bird paid / Teter Couts present
1776-1782 Revolutionary War (Western Division)
1777 John Kautz dies in Virginia
1780 Chrisley Sr. believed to have married
Sarah Wright / William married
Emeline Epps
1782 Mary Couts was born to William and
Emeline
1783-4 Christopher Coontz (from Frederick Co
VA) soldier with George
Rogers Clark at the Falls of the Ohio
1785 Christopher Coontz receives bounty
land in KY (to be proven)
1786 NC Tax Detrick Couch / Henry married
Sarah Freeman
1788 Chrisley a member of an Assembly /
Nov. called for jury duty Sumner
/Davidson Co.
1789 Frederick Koun in Nashville as a
witness of land sell / Chrisley called for
jury - May
1790 Chrisley and John bought land on
the Red River, Sept. and October /
John marries LeahStark;
Mary M. married Walter Stark
1791 CHRISLEY DIED
1791/95 Teter owns land at Henderson
KY / Sugar Creek
1792 Henry owes land in Henderson KY
/ Sugar Creek / Chrisley's heirs sell
land to John
1795 DIETRICK "TETER" BELIEVED TO HAVE DIED
1796 Chrisley's children petition for a
change of guardianship
1798 Henry sells land Sugar Creek and
moves to Rolling Fork Creek
1803 Elizabeth married a Mason
1809 John (Chrisley's son) married Mary
(Polly) Caldwell
1811 Chrisley's heirs sold land to John /
cemetery marker placed in Couts
Family Cemetery 1811 Chrisley
brother of John
1812 William Couts (believed brother
vanishes)
1813 John (Chrisley's son) lived in
Indiana with his children / Susannah
Couts born
1818 HENRY DIED / Naming Chrisley
Jr. heir, also Margaret, Henry's sister
and her daughter Susannah
1823 Sarah Wright died
1828 John Couts died
1832 Chrisley Jr. and Aaron in Missouri
with Bartons, Collins, and Pearsons
1851 Mary M. died
1855 Elizabeth died
Note difference in Susannah and mother's age.
Who was Nicholas Coonce who mixes into county?
Was Henry really William Henry? I have no
paper work on William Couts anywhere. What
is the reference? Did Margaret marry Capt. John
Gordon? (Goodspeed, only Gordon found) Are
we related to Kutch? Daniel 1747/ Dietrick
Kutch, Mercer Co. KY born 1745, wife Susannah;
children: Eliz 1777, John 1773, Mary 1775,
Nancy 1775, Sarah 1781?
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LETTERS FROM WILLIAM HENRY
COUTS'S DESCENDANTS:
Submitted by Rhonda Rodericks and
Lucy Leons
1. From William Henry Couts, (Son of
Joseph Mansfield Couts) to his sister
Vida Leona Couts Campbell
Oklahoma City, May the 5th, 1950
Well Vida I will try this mild cool morn to
write you a few answers to your inquires
conserning our family tree. If I can this
new pen to going good. I'm use to writing
with a pencil. But you can keep this letter for
future refrence if you want. I was down
after a long distance phone call from Joe
Campbell telling me to come at once as
Maud was criticaly sick. But found he not
very ill andhim starting to Fort Worth,
Texas. So I came home next morn. When
I started to leave she called me to her
bedside and began to ask me about the
family tree. In a few days she wrote
asking what was the name of Dadys
youngest sister. I told I was suprised.
We called him Uncle Hiram Moon. It
looks like she is falin good mently as
well as phicaly. She is about 80. I didn't
get to see Leona and Frank. Well, as to
Mothers family all of the older ones are
long since died. They were a short life
people. Aunt Alice Roland? Was the
last sister to die. Well, this is Saturday
the 13th and we have had some big old
faishoned rains. But no storms here in
the City, but several in the western part
of the state. Rather cool at knight. Nice
to day, but I looking for more rain. Let
me give you the straight facts as to our
Indian Blood. Our grand mother, that
is grand father Couts Henry- mothers
maiden name was Francis Barton. She
was a part Cherokee indian, and French.
Back before you was old enough to
remember went to the Cherokee nations
to try to get our right established by the
Cherokee tribal Council but soon found
out there was no chance for this. Would
have ben to much money due us. Besides
Land. So they burned down all chances
for citizenship. So dad come back to Red
River. We did not like the people, too tough.
We would need out law guard in the road.
But they never harmed us. They were the
Dolins gang and others. You have forgot.
I have always liked the indians. Thare is
about 3,000 here in the city. They are
working same as whites. I go to this church
sometimes I always register as a Cherokee.
Oneof Quanah Parkers, the Big was chief of
the Comanche Tribe is the Pastor of the church
(Methodist) where I go. The Baptist have a
church for indians they try to dress and act
like whites. Well, Im getting tired so I close
for this time. Alta lives and ? live here. So
does Gene, Ben's oldest. He is an plumers
contractor and construction house builder.
He works 30 men with a pay rool of between
$3,000 and $4,000 a week. Getting rich if he
can hold out. And they, he and a partner done
$250,000 last years work. Well I mostly
imagine where you live. I didnt like southern
California nor the people. I ben here to long.
I lost all desire I once had to travel getting old,
past 74. But I still enjoy life and have had an
easy time for which I thank the Lord. Good bye
and God bless you. Write. Bill
2. From Leona Couts Campbell to her sister
Vida (Daughters of Joseph Mansfield Couts)
Vida, I will tell you all I can think of about Pa
and Ma and there people. You know Ma's
people, Grandpa and Grandma Askew was
well to do people and had plenty and so did
all of Grandma's brothers and sisters they
were always high in society and everything.
They wer both part Irish and the finest people
I ever seen. Me and Maud stayed with them
and went to school a lot. When we were little
Grandma was proud and this always went to
church and was good old Presbyterins.
Grandma and Aunt Julia Snodgrass was twins.
She had another sister, Aunt Margaret
Covington, and one brother, Uncle Tom
Neil?. I can remember seeing them all when
we lived in Missouri. And they all had fine
homes and all well to do people. But
Grandma Askew always seen like she
didn't like pa. His people wer poor people
and Grandma and Grandpa didn't want Ma
to mary Pa and they done everything they
could to keep them from every going together.
But they would slip around and get together
and finely ran away and married and Ma's
folks couldn't hardly stand it. So, in a year
or two after Maud was born they seperated
and don't know how long they stayed apart,
but ther is over three years differences in
mine and Maud's ages. But Ma always
thought lots of Pa. You know Ma was a twin
too. Grandpa and two of his boys, Uncle
Clark and Uncle Frank went through the Civil
War. He was against freeing the Negros, he
lived in the North and had lots of Negro slaves
and Grandpa Couts lived in the South and he
was for freeing the Negros. He was a scout
during the same war. I don't know much about
Pa's people. I remember then Grandma was a
little old woman and smoked a clay pipe and
Grandpa was a mason by trade and done lots
of that kind of work. Grandma was part Indian
and Uncle Frank Askew told me one time it was
the Indian in Pa that caused tim to move around
so much. Hesaid Joe could always make money
faster than anyone he ever seen and could
spend it just as fast. I have a copy of the original
proof of our indian blood and we should of had
lots of this good Indian land and drawing money
too, if Pa had of got it put through like he should
of done. Last winter I took the proof with me to
Waurika and showed it to a lawyer I am aquainted
with and he said he wished he could have seen
that before the indian rolls was closed, but was
too late now. He said we sure ought to have
had our rights. I will quit for this time and if there
is any thing you wish to know write and ask me
and I will tell you. I haven't told you anything
about Ezra. Write. Leona Vida, write and tell
me bout John and Abel I never do hear from them.
Do you know what there address is?Vida, you
know Francis Barton was Grandma's name
before she married. There is some people
lives here close to us that is the same amount
of Indian blood in them as we have and they got
there rights here in the Chickashaw and ours
was in the Cherokee and they are well to do
people and have lots of land. You know we
were all registered you was and I had my children
all registered. I would of had this printed,
didn't get to do so. I guess you can read it
now rite when you can. I will quit with love to you.
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THE INTERNET COUTS - THE LATEST COLLECTION-
Reply: Couts Family Newsletter Date:97-11-18
00:11:27 EST From:windwoman@rocketmail.com
(ashley couts) My husband Roy A. Couts 1948-74)
was the son of Aaron and Dorothy Shepherd Couts.
They are from Oakland City and Petersburg, Indiana.
Aaron's mother was I believe Flora. Father I am not
sure. I have one child with Roy. Does this help?
Who are you and what strand do you hail from.
S. Ashley Couts.
subjInformation requested Date:97-11-25
From: FayRich (Fay and Rich Flaherty)
Hi Barb. I hope you don't use the recipe I
forwarded to you for your Thanksgiving turkey.
The following is Rich's line back to the Couts.
We have verification back to Great-Grandfather
John Couts. Anyway here goes.
Richard Arlen Flaherty b. 01/16/1934. On
02/18/1956 he married Fay Johnston b.
01/15/1934. Children: Mark Richard b
02/24/1957, Kelly Eileen b. 07/09/1961,
Tracy Lynn b. 08/01/1969. Mark married
Terri Lynn Phillips and has two sons -
Jason Richard and Mark Richard II. Kelly
was married to Robert Gilbert but is now
divorced
Tracy married Jeremy David Gibson on
10/30/1993.
Richard is a son of Paul Chapman Flaherty
b. 01/17/1904 d. 04/22/1975 and Florence
(Bruning) Flaherty. Other sons: Donald
Leo (died as a result of being struck by a car)
at age 3 or 4; Wayne Eugene b. 04/20/1932;
Ronald Ray b 11/23/1935. Wayne married
June Mary Catherine Walter b. 06/12/1930.
Their children are Kevin Paul b. 11/03/1956,
and Maureen Florence b. 06/18/1961. Both
are unmarried. Ronald married Viola Maxine
(nn. Sally) Winegar b. 01/18/1940. Children
are Shawn Michael b. 02/10/1960 (married
Anita [last name unknown] and they have
a daughter Meghan), and Deboráh Sue b.
04/26/1961 (married with 1 daughter Erin.
Debbie is now divorced from Erin's father).
Florence (Bruning) Flaherty b. 04/22/1907.
Father: Frederick William Bruning b.
01/21/1877 d. 10/28/1918; Mother:
Mattie Jane Couts b. 10/31/1876 d. 08/16/1962
Parents of Mattie Jane Couts were: Father:
John Couts b. 05/17/1852 d. 02/01/1931
Mother: Amanda Wren b. 09/19/1847
d. 01/06/1923. As you can see we have a
long, long road ahead of us. We're hoping
that when we return from our trip in the
Spring of 1998 we'll have more information
for ourselves and hopefully can provide
you with more verification on our line. More
later. Love, Rich and Fay
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Subj: Indiana Couts Date: 97-12-03
06:56:40 EST From: JCouts5610
Received your newsletter yesterday, yes,
there are Coutses in Indiana, Illinois, TX,
AZ, WA, MO, just from our small branch.
My husband, Jack, had 4 brothers and 3
sisters, all sisters living, 2 brothers deceased.
His father was Charles Couts, married
Minnie Mason, lived all their lives near
Oakland City, IN. I also know some Kautz
in Illinois, near Olney and Newton. I believe
they are German. Jack's dad was a coal
miner as are some of the children, grand
children and spouses of each. I will try to
gather some more family information and
pass along, such as dates, further lineage,
etc. Thanks for finding us!! There is also
a missionary in Benin (Africai by the name
of Robert Couts. I believe he's f2o- TN.
Signing off now, Anita Couts -
JCouts5610@aol.com
Subj: Re: Indiana Couts Date:
97-12-04 07:42:23 EST From:
JCouts5610 Hi, have just
a few minutes to write before going to
work. More about the IN Coutses! Jack's
family is all from Gibson Co, IN, and their
garden fence was the Pike Co line. I noted
in the newsletter that someone had quoted
something from the Pike Co Dispatch. That
paper is still published in Petersburg.
(Co seat) Warrick Co borders Pike & Gibson
too. Jack§s dad was Charles, he had brothers
Tom & Curtis. Tom only had one daughter,
Ruth, and she is deceased although she
had 4 children. Curtis had some children,
but I don't know any of them or where they
are now. Jack probably does, we just haven't
had time to really talk about this since we got
the newsletter. Yes, we would like to get the
newsletter, Jack's brother, Paul, has done
some genealogy of the family but seemed
to have hit a blank wall somewhere along
the line and haven't heard too much about
it lately. Jack and I have 2 daughters, there
are only 5 boys, teenagers or younger in
our branch to carry on the name, and 4 are
right here in Gibson Co, one in El Paso, TX.
We have a reunion each year at the Oakland
City Park, but just the siblings attend and a
couple of cousins, maybe Curt's daughters.
All of the older ones passed on before I got
into the family so I can't keep them all straight.
I'll try to do better. Thanks for finding us.
Later!! Anita Couts.
Subj: Re: Indiana Couts Date: 97-12-05 21
:59:42 EST From: JCouts5610
Got your note, will print off all the newsletters
tonight so Jack can work at it this weekend,
can't do much else here, it's cold, snowy,
windy, miserable as only winter in Indiana
can be. Of course on the banks of the Ohio,
snow doesn't stick around too long.
Later, Anita Couts
16:21:27 -0600 From: Sheryl
Barbara, I am also researching Indiana
Fleener/Fleenor. My earliest is John
Fleener m. Elizabeth Hensley. That is
all I have on them. I have listed one son
(there could and probably are others);
Nicholas Fleener b1791VA d1872MO
Married 1815 Washington (probably
County, but I'm not sure; source died),
In to Nancy E. Johnson b1800NC d1884MO.
They had 18 children; two died young;
the others all lived to adulthood and
most seemed to have married. They
were born between 1816 and 1843; most
of them in Monroe County, IN. I am from
their daughter Sarah Jane Fleener who
married Thomas Jasper Hendrickson;
their daughter Martha Jane Hendrickson
married Leander James Evans; they
in turn had a large family in Galt, Grundy
County, MO. Apparently the Hendrickson
and Fleener families both moved into MO.
I'm not sure if this is the same family, but
with the size of the family anything is
possible. Looking forward to hearing from
you. Sincerely, Sheryl (Franklin) Morgan
Subj: Re: Reply: Couts Family Newsletter
Date: 97-12-29 14:38:00 EST
From: windwoman@rocketmail.com
(ashley couts) To: Barb.
Well, it was an interesting Yule and
Christmas. The Couts family here got together
and enjoyed all the festivities. My sister-in-law
Dianne enjoyed the info on her family and so
will also help. I tried to call a Cecil Couts in
Brownsburg, In. but no reply as yet. I believe
he is from Oakland City. Also I am trying to
find the number of Alice Couts Yeager's son.
They called him Charlie Junior. There is a
daughter also in Cicero, Indiana. Charlie was
a police officer for the Lawrence Police ( a
suburb of
Indianapolis) but is retired.
Also, while out to dinner with friends
and my friend David C. Sassman says he
is a Couts relative. He thinks the Couts
family he comes from leased the slave
ships. Yikes, I hope this isn't true. Anyway
send him info at: Indywiz @ aol.com. He wants
to come on board and has an uncle or someone
working on geneology on this side. Interesting
to see if he is a cuz.
In addition: From the Marion County Library.
Lady Unknown by Edna Healy/ B.Burdett-Couts.
"As the title implies you might not recognize the
name Angela Burdett-Couts. But you may have
met her before. You may recognize this heir to
the Couts banking fortune. The richest woman
in England after Queen Victoria. You might know
that she was the constant companion of the Duke
of Wellington in his older years. You may know
her as a friend of Dickens who he portrayed in
a number of his works. Her greatest feat, however,
truly lies in her charitable works. She financed
Dickens in his attempts to help the poor as
Florence Nightingale and her work in Crimean
War. Edna Healy has shown a light on this
unknown but very important person of the 19th
century England."
I'll get the book and let you know more.
Other tid-bits of info: Interesting that my
husband was Roy as was your father...and
his brother Steve while your brother is Steve.
Aaron is another name that runs through...this
being both my Father-in-law and my grandson's
name (my son from a first marriage) but loosely
named for Roy's father.
About us: I am also in Education. I teach
6th grade art in a middle school. I also paint
and write and so teach writing classes for the
Writers' Center of Indianapolis where I also edit
a newsletter (bi-monthly) called Literally. Susann
Elayne Couts Rose lives with me and works
presently as a waitress at a steak house.
She is earning money for college where she
wants to pursue a degree in social work.
She aspires to work with teenage mothers
and pregnant teens. A worthy ideal. My son
(Steven Eric Seats) lives in California with
his wife Lia and their children Natosha and
Aaron. He was in the Marine Corps and
served in Okinawa, Japan in intelligence.
He is now in college. Hope your new year
is great...and I look forward to more info
sharing. Ashley
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